Unrotated Ubers

[Quintall_ML]

In this thread, posting unrotated Uber type mobs, last known kill dates, and guild responsible for the slaughter.

Sontalak: Vind (10/20)

Statue: Hoss (10/18)

N ToV: Hoss (10/21-?)

Yelinak: ML (10/15)

Gorenaire: ML (10/21)

Talendor: GAP (10/18)

Venril Sathir: Hoss (9/20)

Telkenor: Vind (9/19)

VP: L`Malla (10/15 - ?)

If you are interested in fighting one of these mobs, this is the place to post intentions. Do not post intentions if you cannot follow through, or give timely notice if your plans change (ie, >24 hours).

For mobs that we all agree should be handled in this fashion, whichever guild was last to kill the specified mob give a 24 hour time frame upon respawn for others to make an attempt (not 24 hours per guild, just a single 24 hour period).

This 24 hour period can be waived if the repeating guild confirms with other proven capable guilds that they are not interested in the spawn on respawn day.

After 24 hours, the repeating guild can have there way with the mob.

[Yendii]

Does VP belong in this thread? I think L`Malla is ready to go in and we'd like to do it th weekend of the 28th.

[Quintall_ML]

Sure, we can toss VP in here, consider it done.

[Baramos1]

Mythic is burned out on VP - I doubt you'll see us in there for awhile.

[Quintall_ML]

Vind posted for the next Yel and Sont spawns.

Lorenia, you guys are up for CT patch day and you passed your last turn (9/12).

Are you going to pass on the rotation for CT again, or hit Yelinak?

[Ciner]

Will see what can be done that night, really cant say yet how many we'll have and how fast we'll be able to progress.

[Quintall_ML]

Ciner,

Not to push, but I'd like to be able to let folks know as soon as possible for the evening, much as you would for Vind. What's Vind's plan tonight regarding Yelinak, CT, and Tormax? (We never kill Tormax, he pop on server reset?)

[Andaas]

If I was in Vindication, I'd probably do CT + Yelinak. Just my guess though.

[Thanatoz]

IG killed Talendork 9/24

[Ciner]

Plan is Yel, if time for CT will do him also. Hell, we may get nothing, but would appreciate benefit of doubt for the evening since we are up.

[Rohaise]

Sontalak is up.

Does Vindication still plan on attempting him?

[Quintall_ML]

Sont and Yelinak down 9/26.

Done to here.

[Yendii]

Would like a shot at Sont next time he pops in WW.

[Baramos1]

Sont's up.

[Rohaise]

Yelinak down 9/27.

[Decadance]

Sont Down Sept 28 to L`Malla/Vindi

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

Ya know, I thought seeing Sont dead would help..

but I still hate that dragon! :D

[Yendii]

Gore Died 9/29

[Baramos1]

Mythic Legion will be killing Sontalak, tonight.

[Selice-ML]

Sontalak deaded by ML 10/1

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

What's Yelinak's general spawn time after patch and respawn time? I'm itching to give him a go..

[Quintall_ML]

He's up with patch, general spawn is 7 days I believe.

[Thanatoz]

Sontalak is up again. Spawned last night. We got him to Sontalak but alas we ran out of steam.

[Thanatoz]

Also IG will be trying Vindicator tonight. If you all could leave him alone it would be greatly appreciated.

[Yendii]

Gore down 10/11. We went to kill Talendor too but he wasn't up cus someone killed him and didn't have the courtsy to post it. Should we continue posting when these mobs die or just ffa?

[Andaas]

Try to post when you kill them if you can remember.

The last date shown for the statue dying is 9/21, although he isn't currently up so someone did him this week. Was planning on doing a statue run tomorrow night, will depend on if he pops or not.

Any est as to when he was killed last?

[Quintall_ML]

Yelinak's been up a few too many days, as has Sontalak. We're going to rectify this tonight and send them to the land of dead Ubers.

[Selice-ML]

Yelinak deaded on 10/15 by ML

[Quintall_ML]

Sontalak down to a zone burp we think, he wasn't up, nor was Klandicar, and some corpses were nekked. bleh.

[Ahaman]

Around 8:00 AM PST

[Quintall_ML]

Sontalak down 10/18

[Ciner]

Hello folks, think this is the correct thread to post under.

Thurs was our last day in NToV this week, almost got Vyemm but didnt get more than 2 tries :(

My thought was perhaps we could use our Emergancy Patch restart thing and get the rest of this week till the patch Tuesday. Reason I ask is a few things...

1. We were following ML, who, while was highly successful, was first run and killed the mobs somewhat slowly. So we had to kill at basicly the same pace, not MLs fault but sucked.

2. Ya folks both got 1.5 weeks in NToV your last runs, well, almost in Hoss's case.

3. Would rather use the Emergancy Patch thing now, cause honestly, as most of you know we are totally rebuilding in some parts of the guild and could use the equip now, not a month or two down the road.

4. If the next guild in line did go in tomorrow, they would not get there full week before patch hits tuesday in the a.m, which would prob lead to more issues.

[Baramos1]

ML was there 7 days.

I don't really care what you guys do, though. Between you and Hoss as far as I'm concerned.

Bara

[Quintall_ML]

ML's kill rate wasn't slow at all, in fact, you got the ring dragons in a fell swoop with a couple days to rest before the Back 5, or to try Vyemm/Vulak between. ML didn't even get to attempt either of them once, so that point about *only* getting to try Vyemm doesn't go far.

As Bara already pointed out, we were there 7 days, patch or no patch, and didn't say a thing to stay there and try to get a chance at every dragon simply out of respect for the start of a good thing here.

7 Days, in which you had no interruptions, should have been enough. Can we just go with the 7 days thing until we see how it works through 2 sets please, ML has lots of people to outfit in that stuff too Ciner.

Edit: In rereading your post, I see you mean to stay there through the weekend, not come back after patch. Kinda sticks in my craw, as ML *could* have been trying Vyemm and Vulak last Sunday at the latest, but left due to the 7 day thing to allow Vind in there.

[Ciner]

I understand Quint...

My point simply is, ya folks did get to kill 5 additional dragons due to the patch restart. Would be nice to let us do the same now instead of 1-2 months from now. Who knows if an emergancy patch will ever even land on our NToV run, thats what I ment.

[Baramos1]

What's left in there? Just Vyemm and Vulak?

Why not compromise? Heck, roll even. Roll for Vyemm or Vulak. Or work it out - Hoss on Vulak, Vind continues trying Vyemm, or vice-versa.

Make both guilds happy.

[Ciner]

Naw today Aary Fesh Dag repop, tomorrow Kryo Kio Mir. We just wanted to get our extra few in the front that both ya got to balance things between the three NToV guilds.

Plus like I said we could use the equip now, not whenever an emergancy patch happens to fall on our day 1-2 months down the road. But, still waiting to see what Hoss thinks.

[Quintall_ML]

Actually, we only killed 2 Nameds twice, Jorleag and Eashen. Let us know what works out. If Vind and Hoss agree to this, let us know please, as ML has been making scheduling arrangements for next Friday-Thurs spot, and we could use some advance warning to plan accordingly.

[Quintall_ML]

Here's a crazy, off the top of my head thought about this N ToV thing this time prior to patch...

Why not get a rep from each of the 3 N ToV guilds together, and do a single /ran 900?

From the numbers rolled, high roll gets first pick, then next gets 2nd, last gets 3rd.

Then, since we know Ikatiar, Eashen, Aaryonar, Feshlak, Dagarn, Lord K, Koi, Lady M, Vyemm, and Vulak will all be up, the reps can take turns in this manner choosing a dragon to kill? That's ten dragons, which would leave one extra that we could just work out amongst the 3 reps.

That would:

A) Get Vind some of those extra drops they are looking for.
B) Give Hoss a full respawn on the patch, and a few extras prior.
C) Give ML a possible shot at engaging Vyemm and/or Vulak prior to the patch.

I know if sounds screwy, and there's lots of room for error. However, just trying to step outside the box we've created for ourselves in a way, and do something fairly light hearted in the interest of mutual cooperation. This is purely a suggestion at this time, off the record so to speak.

[Baramos1]

Sounds fun, sounds fair.

ML is in a catch-as-catch-can mode this weekend anyway.

I'd like to see our three guilds cooperate a bit more in this fashion anyway.

Maybe we're on to something here.

[Sirensa]

Ok... couple things in response to your list Ciner:


1. We were following ML, who, while was highly successful, was first run and killed the mobs somewhat slowly. So we had to kill at basicly the same pace, not MLs fault but sucked.

This is why we allow a day between guild raids to allow for spawns to catch up. ML finished on Thursday, Vindication went in on Friday. Technically, you could have waited for Saturday to buy yourself more of a full spawn to start.


2. Ya folks both got 1.5 weeks in NToV your last runs, well, almost in Hoss's case.

Hoss had 8 days. ML had 7 days.


3. Would rather use the Emergancy Patch thing now, cause honestly, as most of you know we are totally rebuilding in some parts of the guild and could use the equip now, not a month or two down the road.

What emergency patch thing? Patches are part of your 7 day stint. Sometimes they will work to your advantage, sometimes they don't. Unfortunately - it's luck of the draw. Regardless - everyone has at least a chance at each of the dragons in their week of raid time.


4. If the next guild in line did go in tomorrow, they would not get there full week before patch hits tuesday in the a.m, which would prob lead to more issues.

Yah, we're well aware patch will hit mid-Hoss raid, and trying to figure out what is most fair to do.

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Due to the fact that we are still working out the fairest way to rotate, and due to perhaps Vindication not understanding that they could have waited a day to start their week long stint (which would have allowed for clearing a bit more on their own pace), Hoss believes that it would be fair to allow them to extend their raid through Saturday.

That would give Vindication 9 days total. And the chance to have cleared all of the zone once, plus 2 days worth of respawn, which should be about 6 additional dragons. Personally, I do not think it is fair to allow one guild 11 consecutive days in NToV in one raid, and this seems a fair way to compromise.

This is not an emergency patch allowance - it is just fair considering we're still working out the best way to do NTOV for all guild's involved.

Hoss will enter NToV on Sunday if anything is leftover/respawning, then continue our raid post patch through Saturday. Obviously if Vindication clears completely tonight and tomorrow, we'd have to wait.

Msg me in IRC if you want to discuss this further, Ciner, and I believe Andaas can be found both in IRC and in game atm.

[Ubar]

So now is the question whether Vind should be allowed to clear the first few dragon's repop?

This run for us in Ntov has been very cockneyed due to the spacious respawns and lack of dragons when we began. Our first legit try on Vyemm was last night, primarily due to respawn time.

So asking for the weekend continuation is due to several factors:

1: due to the patches which hoss and ML had during their tenures in Ntov on this rotation and vindication did not, Vindication will have had severely fewer mobs than were available to both Hoss and Vindication.

2: Repops, our Vyemm attacks were consistantly messed up due to respawns of A) Dragons and B) The named drakes which repopped yesterday and were not up when we began our run in ntov.

So, we would like to operate in the zone until through monday, which would mean we would get repop's on the front dragons which Hoss (not sure about ML) were able to clear more than once due to the patches which interjected themselves in their ntov tenures.

It would also resolve the issue of Vindication having an emergency patch card which would be played at a later date, that idea just doesnt make sense.

Are there conflicts with this proposal of further Vind operation through monday?

-Wyvern (I post as Ubar cause I dont think I ever bothered to register wyvern's name on the forum)

[Andaas]

Originally posted by <s>Ubar</s> Wyvern
This run for us in Ntov has been very cockneyed due to the spacious respawns and lack of dragons when we began. Our first legit try on Vyemm was last night, primarily due to respawn time.


As best I can tell, Vindication started NToV last Friday, clearing Aaryonar, Feshlak, and Dagarn. Then continued on Saturday, clearing Koi'Doken, Lady Miranella, and Lord Kriezenn.

This left Sunday and Monday that you had several chances at attempting Lord Vyemm that I can see, since ML's respawn didn't start until Tuesday with the back five (Lady N + Jorlleag if I'm not mistaken).

Vindication has had more than 2 attempts at Vyemm this week... you only got 2 attempts last night is all. What happened on Sunday and Monday to make those attempts illegitimate?

With Vindication remaining in NToV through Saturday, this will give Vindication as much chance at extra spawns as both Hoss and ML received due to our patch interruptions (Hoss gained 4 spawns, ML gained 5, Vindication can potentially gain 6). It will also extend Vindication's raid time to 9 days, whereas Hoss had 8, and ML 7.

Everything seems to be in line to me with Hoss moving in on Sunday.

[Ciner]

Sounds fair Andaas.

Now my question to you is. Does hoss get NToV Sunday Monday, and then 7 more days after patch?

What I would like is things to be balanced, your proposal is that, I just hope we can keep it this way.

[Andaas]

The Hoss NToV raid will end 1 week from Sunday... so next Saturday would be our last day in the zone.

[Quintall_ML]

I'm glad this worked out, but I want to point out something again:

ML only got 2 "extra" kills from the patch, Jorleag and Eashen.

[Ciner]

sont dead 10/20

[Quintall_ML]

Hey Ciner, mind having Shik remove that bullshit from your front page please?

Making and publicizing a pic like that does nothing to help the fragile sense of cooperation that has been occuring on here lately, and has more than a few folks pissed off.

Joke or no joke, you won't find ML ever pulling something like that on Vind. You guys want to guildbash, that's your right. But don't expect to guildbash in public and continue to see ML show consideration for things you want to do, like this weekend in N ToV amongst other things.

[Wyvern]

I'll speak to shik about it, since he decided to use me for the photo op.

Vind is now completely out of Ntov, with the exception of a couple people still logged at certain spots I believe.

Good luck Hoss.

[Quintall_ML]

Thank you Wyvern.

[Ciner]

Well I will talk to him cause he may have indeed gone too far. But, when you folks set the standard of poking fun at other guilds. How can you not expect him to take that as the attitude of news updates from druzzil guilds? Not to mention Draacco did in fact buy Draacco on ebay, when you've done that you sort of deal with what flames ensue. :(


The previous adventurers in Sleeper's Tomb were sloppy and left a couple of dragons alive. We couldn't allow such an affront to cleanliness to go unnoticed, so we went in and mopped them up.

[Baramos1]

While we're on the subject of getting along, btw, some of Vind's members were taunting ML folks last night, telling them "we're killing the 4th Warder right now - no more primal."

Now, I know you guys were in ST last night, and I am fairly certain that wasn't your objective, but we need to keep that kind of rumor-mongering to a minimum. We've already seen a so-called "joke" of Draacco's backfire and make everyone on this board neurotic about ST and the Warders.

But, just for the record, what was your objective in ST last night? I'm still being asked why you were attempting the 4th Warder. (For all I know, the zone crashed and they were all up again - just don't know. If that's the case, you need to post which ones you killed in the rotation thread.)

BTW, as an aside, ML didn't set any "standard" with public posts. I seem to recall a nice picture of Baramos on your board awhile back.

Also, I think any discussion of "ebay'ed" or "borrowed" or characters that people sell then steal back for that matter, is stupid here. We could point fingers all day on that path.

A couple of weeks ago, Vindication would have met a very strong resistance to taking a couple of extra days in ToV N, particularly since they've had plenty of time to get experience there in the last several months. The argument that "you need more loot" is not very convincing, frankly. However, ML said hey, have fun. Get phat.

Same with CT. By the letter of the guidelines, you guys would have to sit out a CT rotation. No one's going to push that on you.

I think in the last couple of weeks we've made some significant strides in cooperation here. Let's keep moving forward.

Bara

[Ciner]

Regarding NToV we mearly got the two days that Hoss and you had both gotten, absolutly fair and made us even, wasn't some special favor or something heh...

In regards to ST if wrait(sp) hadn't been spamming every single fucking Vindication member in ST we wouldnt have felt the need to play a joke on him. He litterally sent every single person who wasnt anon the msg "You killing 4th warder ??"

Of course were not killing 4th warder heh, we wouldnt be ass's like that, and more than that we dont have the force to do it.

I agree we have made significant strides, and news is just joking around ect, shouldnt take it serious... You guys joke about being Zerg in your news, we joke too, all good frnds.

[Baramos1]

I'll talk to Wrait. He's very well-meaning, but he gets a bit stressed.

Just to be clear, as for NToV, ML was there only 7 days. You keep saying we stayed extra days in posts here. We didn't.

However, Vind stayed 9.

You basically said, hey, you know.. we need to re-build the guild, and have a lot of folks to deck, and there's a patch coming up, and do you mind if we stay a couple of days extra. ML said, nope, have fun, do whatever. As long as you and Hoss can agree on it.

You say it "wasn't any special favor." I disagree. We're being flexible here. We might ask for the return favor, someday.

Baramos

[Quintall_ML]

What 2 days we got?

We were there 7 days, and killed a whole two dragons twice.

criminy, lol.

[Ciner]

What I'm saying is, thanks to the patch. You had the oportunity to kill 6ish dragons, and then potential clear NToV post patch. Pre-patch you did not kill as much due to it being your first trip or so and learning, but potentially you could have.

In the two days you had before patch you killed 2 dragons, in the two days we had "post-patch", this was Fri/Sat, we killed six. The oportunity to kill was even, was an ability thing.

Also as I said earlier, the pace you killed at had also really slowed us. The six entrance dragons we had to kill over 4 days because of slow respawn, we were able to kill in 2 days when we had our own pace. That alone should make up for the two days, not even bringing the potential you had to kill 6 dragons in to the picture.

[Quintall_ML]

ummm, no.

When we left, the only dragons NOT up were the Back 5, Eashen, and Ikatiar. Any slow pace for the first dragons for you was not due to ML.

[Ciner]

Dude what are you talking about, did you not kill all but Vyemm+Vulak before you left?

What I'm saying is, the rate at which you killed Aary Fesh Dag Fish Mir Kryo was over a few day period so we had to wait, then we had Jor pop'ing and then Nev up. Was so spread out it sucked... Anyways enough of this amazingly gay conversation~

[Quintall_ML]

What I'm saying Ciner, is yer full of it.

Aary, Fesh, Lord K, Lady M, Dag, Koi, Vyemm, and Vulak were ALL up from a patch, the ONLY dragons we killed after the patch were the Back 5 and Eashen/Ikatiar.

And of those killed after the patch, the only two we killed before the patch were Jorleag and Eashen, Ikatiar wasn't up when we broke in pre-patch.

The only wait you woulda had would been for the Back 5 after killing the Ring dragons; Jor and Nev killed same night, then Zlax, Cek, Sev.

Edit: clarity

[Ciner]

What your saying is nonsense and it makes no sense as always sir. FU!

[Baramos1]

No, he's right Ciner.

All those dragons were up. Never made any sense what you were saying about being "slowed down" but I didn't care about it because I thought it was gay to argue the point.

You keep bringing up how you were "slowed down" by us, though, which is bullshit, and how we were there for over a week, which is bullshit. As it stands right now, Vindication is the only guild who didn't follow the proposed guidelines to the letter.

Fact is, the only thing slowing you down was the dragons, not ML. The other fact is that you felt like you'd been hosed out of getting some extra phat lewt because other guilds had patches. No one complained about your wrong perception, we just said hey, have fun. Get phat. Kill dragons. Hoorah.

Considering you're talking about getting along here, and the fact that folks have stepped aside for you and given your guild some leeway on NToV and on CT, I think you could show a bit of restraint on the FU's, and file away in your memory banks the consideration that both Hoss and ML are showing Vindication, for some future occasion.

Baramos

[Ciner]

Bara, it was agree'd Vindi was owe'd an Emergancy Patch repop shot at NToV. Why does it matter if its now or later? You folks got it now, we should also...

And, yes we we're slowed by your progress. If that wasn't the case why did it take 4 days to do what took 2 days when the mobs were up. Then we had to wait for Jor and Nev, then for Zlex Cek Sev, it was all a waiting game and annoying as hell.

The FU was a joke~ Our news ect.. we enjoy joking around sir Bara but as this is all in the past I see little reason to discuss it.

[Wyvern]

I believe Ciner is doting on the fact that the reason the extra 2 days were arranged was in similarity to the emergency patch deal which was discussed in another thread.

For the first 2 turns on the rotation, taken by ML and Hoss, the question of dragon availability was much greater by both those guilds than by that which we encountered during our trip (this due to the patches which interjected themselves in the raids of ML and Hoss). The fact that only 2 dragons were killed in duplicate is irrelevant due to the availability factor.

In response to: ML giving their seal of approval to the 2 day extension..

Why would ML have been the overseer on this decision, considering that its Hoss currently up for the rotatation, and hence the arrangement was directed towards their agreement.

The issue of respawns was a vexing one, but something that everyone will have to eventually get used to in the future if patches become less frequent. We were interrupted several nights by either respawns, or long waits for such respawns. This issue is a side point and rather moot in the arrangements for the 2 days.

edit: misquote.

[Quintall_ML]

Gore down 10/21

[Quintall_ML]

"If that wasn't the case why did it take 4 days to do what took 2 days when the mobs were up."

Dunno Ciner, why don't you tell us? Planets not in alignment?


Fact is, the only wait you should have seen was for the spawn of Jor/Nev, then the next day Zlex/Cek/Sev. Why it took you four days before that is something maybe you need to ask your l33tn355, cause the only blame there is your own. Don't pawn it off on ML.

And honestly, we aren't close enough for you to tell me FU and be considered joking in the slightest.

[Ciner]

As Wyv aptly said, and I had said about 10 responses ago, it was due to the availability of dragons for you to kill.

Just cause you did not kill the six you could have in two days, do not act like your doing us a favor by giving us an equal oportunity.

And honestly, do you think I care weither you consider something a joke or not?

[Quintall_ML]

Ciner,

The point is, you were indeed done a favor, as the idea behind Vind getting a patch also was that it would come *during* one of your raids at some point as well. The favor was in giving you extra days *now*, rather than making you wait until the patch happened while you were in there.

And you must have cared, or you wouldn't have pointed out it was supposedly joking in the first place. You constantly try to excuse slams against other guilds/people with *I was joking*, and the excuse has worn very, very thin.

Anyhow, as has been pointed out, what is done is done, glad you managed to get more phatty for your *rebuild*.