Rotation Schedule

[Quintall_ML]

Trak - Hoss (11/6), NI (11/8), Vind (P1-11/11), L`Malla (P1-11/12), VE (F1-10/29), GAP (P1-10/31?), ML (10/16), IG (P1-11/5)

Sev - IG (T-Hoss 9/24), L`Malla(10/11), TR (added 10/26), NI (11/4), GAP (T-NI 10/27), Vindi (T - CN 9/13), Hoss (T-IG), VE (T-GAP)

Ragefire {Naggy Down 11/9} - ML (10/24), TV (added 10/25), GAP (10/12 out of turn), DSO (Added 11/5), Hoss (11/7), VE (11/10), NI (11/12), L`Malla (T - VH 9/14), Vind (11/4), Seekers (Added 10/18), IG (10/20), TR (10/22)

CT - Hoss (11/8), L`Malla (T-Hoss 10/23), Vind (T-ML 11/1), ML (T-Vind 10/30)

Dain - ML (P1-11/2), Hoss (11/3), Vind (11/10?), L`Malla (10/26)

Tormax - Vindi (11/7), ML (F2-11/8), Hoss (11/9)

Statue - L`Malla (11/7), Hoss (11/8), Vindication (11/5), IG (Added 11/6)

Dozekar - Hoss (11/1), IG (F2-11/7), NI (added 11/8), Vind (11/8)

Lend - Vindi (11/1), Hoss (11/7), L'Malla (11/9) ML (P1-10/31)

Zland - Hoss (T-IG 10/26), IG (T-Hoss F1-10/25), L`Malla (T-Vind 11/1), Vind (T-L`Malla 10/27), NI (added 11/8), ML (11/9)

Klandicar - Hoss (T-Vind 11/6), NI (added 11/8), ML (F1-11/9), Vind (11/10), L`Malla (10/30)

Sontalak - ML (out of rotation 10/29), Vindication (11/9), L`Malla (11/12), Hoss (11/5)

Yelinak - ML (11/10) Vind (T-ML 11/2), Hoss (P2-11/8), L`Malla (P2-11/9)

ST Warders - ML (11/10), Vind (T-Hoss 11/6), Hoss (P2-11/9)

N ToV - Hoss (10/21-10/28), L`Malla (added 10/25), ML (11/1-11/6), Vind (11/7-11/9)


You know the drill - follow with confirmed dates when mob is down
also double check to be sure you are in the rotations you want to be in

I know it is a pain sometimes - but please post a quick note when a mob is taken down by your guild so we can keep the rotation updated

There are now some (P) up there on various mobs, based on the fact they lived through the days those guilds were due for them. I'll be putting the dates with them and the F's as well.


Rotation Changes.

10/23 Added North ToV to the rotation schedule.

10/24 Added Yelinak to the rotation schedule.

10/25 Added L`Malla to Klandicar, Yelinak, NToV rotations.

10/26 Added Sontalak to the rotation schedule.

10/26 Added TR to the Sev rotation.

10/26 Added {Next Guild} to the Current Rotations list to test.

10/27 Added Vind to the Trak rotation.

11/5 Added DSO to the Ragefire rotation.

11/7 Added IG to the Statue rotation.

11/8 Added NI to Doze, Zlan, and Klan rotations.

Current Rotations:
Trak = VE {GAP}
Sev = Vind {Hoss}
Ragefire = L`Malla {Vind}
CT = L`Malla {Vind}
Dain = L`Malla {ML}
Tormax = Vind {ML}
Statue = Vind {IG}
Doze = Hoss {IG}
Lend = ML {Vind}
Zlan = Hoss {IG}
Klan = L`Malla {Hoss}
Sontalak = Hoss {ML}
Yelinak = Vind {Hoss}
ST = Vind {Hoss}
N ToV = Hoss {L`Malla}

[Thanatoz]

Wasnt able to get to trak. got hung up on things in fear and it got late. So u can mark IG down for a pass on trak.

also we never passed on doze...we failed:)

[Andaas]

Klandicar popped late tonight, Hoss is going to try to get to him tomorrow (not 100% sure what scheduling/timing will be with the ToT 3 event).

In Sleeper's, only the MotG, FA, and I think Tukaraak were up around 6 or 6:30. I wasn't willing to invest the time in the zone for dragons that I couldn't guarantee to be up.

ST is also in a bit of flux due to the ToT 3 event tomorrow. Since we really have no idea how late the event will run, we will need to confirm tomorrow if Hoss will be in ST.

[Andaas]

Would Vindication be interested in trading ST spots for tonight?

Hoss is up for 2 more keys in the next 48 hours, and I don't think Vindication has anything else to do tonight after ToT 3, so would probably work out better for both of us.

[Rohaise]

Klandicar up.

5:30pm PST.

[Thanatoz]

Please add IG to the statue rotation. Thanks

[Andaas]

Roh must not be paying attention.. I posted that Kland was up late Monday night. :p

Klandicar and Trakanon dead 11/6.

Ragefire still not spawned as of 10:00 pm tonight, going to keep my eye out until the patch. /shrug.

[Andaas]

Ragefire dead early am on 11/7.

I talked to Vindication about trading Sleeper's with Hoss on 11/6... I think they went, dunno for sure though.

[Andaas]

Seekers has a new representative on this forum, Carthington.

They are looking to be added to the ragefire rotation. I'm posting this because they have been bugging me for near 2 weeks to be given access to this forum, and for the life of me it slipped my mind (at least 5 times) in that period.

Carthington registered at the forums here on October 18. I think it only fair that they be added into the rotation on or around that date due to it being my fault that they were not given a voice in this forum until today.

[Wyvern]

yeh, warders dead 11/6.

[Quintall_ML]

North ToV cleared 11/6.

[Sirensa]

Ragefire {Naggy Due 11/7} - ML (10/24), TV (added 10/25), GAP (10/12 out of turn), DSO (Added 11/5), Hoss (11/7), VE (9/9), NI (9/12), L`Malla (T - VH 9/14), Vind (11/4), Seekers (Added 10/18), IG (10/20), TR (10/22)
ahem! Where'd Hoss go!

[Quintall_ML]

Umm, right after DSO (added 11/5) and before VE (9/9).


*buys Sirensa beer Goggles*

[Sirensa]

Hi! =/

Works going very bad today! THX BEER GOGGLES.

I was about to type HEY HOW COME ML IS NEXT on the rotation but then realized you'd have to hand me beer goggles with bi-focals and a wheel chair.

The whole Naggy due thing confused me - yah thats it - cause I was thinking first in the list was next up - don't ask! sigh

*cry*

gnome plz thx!

[Sows McBuff]

doing him tomorrow night since we had some problems with members gettin back on after the patch. ok'd with ciner.

[Wyvern]

tormax dead, 11/7, moving onto ntov.

[Andaas]

Fear crashed last night around 9:45 pm pst. On hold with a guide at the moment, but I doubt that we will be getting the zone repopped and restored to its pre-patch condition.

Hoss will be in Fear after the emergency patch tomorrow.

Lendinaira died.

*edit* Xetulous would only offer to repop the zone, and 10:00 pm pst is too late to start a Fear raid. Hoss will be in Fear again tomorrow.

Hopefully finishing up with time for ST.

[Yendii]

Statue Dead 11/7

[Rohaise]

Nanz, Tuk, Hraashna dead 11/7.

Emergency patch happening in an hour btw if anyone missed it.

[Rohaise]

Sows -

That means a Trakanon just poofed.

There are 8 other guilds on the Trak rotation.

What you needed to do was ask for a trade with another guild on that list. I'm certain several of those guilds could have spared 20 people to do their thing in Sebilis. ML has about 30 people looking for Trak Teeth, and could have done Trak at any time tonight for example.

Getting an "OK" from the next guild in line means nothing. That spawn remained unkilled, and poofed, when any number of other people could have used it.

Just asking that you please be courteous and respect all the guilds on rotation.

Technically I believe you've forfeited your turn.

[Rohaise]

Oh yeah, Yelinak dead 11/7.

[Quintall_ML]

Done to here.

[Sirensa]

At the time that Sows posted NI didn't get to Trak - the emergency patch had NOT been announced. Would be a normal montly extension. You can hardly blame them for an emergency patch being announced after they requested their additional day. It's unfortunate a spawn was wasted, but it wouldn't be the first time something unfortunate like that happened.

[Thanatoz]

Rohaise calm down. There is nothing wrong with using a guilds monthly extension.

And stop "thinking" everyone "technically passes" on mobs.

[Quintall_ML]

Actually, Roh's post was at least partly my fault. I didn't have a chance to post on our board last night about Sows chatting with me prior to talking with Ciner.

I had told him then there shouldn't be any issues, but to follow up with whatever guild was following them (Vind in this case).

Anyhow, don't get upset with Roh, I dropped the ball on our end there.

And Roh don't get too upset with Sows, he was going with normal stuff before it was even known there would be an emergency patch.

[Blambil_VE]

Naggy up: 8:15am PST

Xorshaik is organizing an impromptu Naggy raid tonight, so log your twinks on and go help. :)

[Thanatoz]

IG failed on Doze last night. >:(

[Lylala]

Plz add NI to Doze, Zland, and Kland rotations...thanks :)

[Rohaise]

Regarding Trak:

1) If this was their monthly pass, then splendid. But that wasn't said before I made my original post.

2) Thanatoz, I have no idea what you mean by:

And stop "thinking" everyone "technically passes" on mobs.


If a guild is up for a mob, and the mob is up, and they do not communicate their intent to use their monthly pass, and they do not kill it, then the logical conclusion is that they missed their turn.

It's all about communication and consideration for the hundreds of others (literally in this case) who are waiting for that mob.

But this is all moot now because of:

3) Speaking of communication, as you can tell from Quintall's post, it was definitely lacking from my perspective, as his conversation with Sows was not revealed to me until just now. I've taken steps to ensure this won't happen again from ML.


Sows, I apologize for my misinformed post.

[Quintall_ML]

Lylala,

No offense intended, but perhaps NI should cut it's teeth a bit on Zland before trying Klan. Klan isn't the same mob you faced in the past incarnation of your guild, his upgrade was considerable.

I'll put you on his rotation, just a suggestion to think about though.

[Thanatoz]

I think certain rotated mobs should have a Gatekeeper mob for them. Mobs that are comparable to what they will be going up against.

here is some of my examples

Vind for Statue
Statue for Tormax

Trak for Velk
Velk for Zlan and Doze
Zlan for Klan and Lend


Then after that Id say youve proven yourself pretty much. Dunno just an idea.

[Rezz]

If you can handle a bit harsher fear and an unresistable 400pt AE that dispells a buff and you can't hide from it (at least we haven't found a way *shrug*) I say go for it Lylala. Only way to learn is to try.

[Ubar]

Dozer down 11/8

[Sows McBuff]

11/8 ~8:30 pm CST

and i apologize for one going to waste, unfortunately I was out most of last nite and the E-patch was (as was said here earlier) announced after I arranged with ciner to use our extension.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

Well we got fucked kinda hard tonight...had a hiccup on lend and well, 3/4th of the guild was bound in kael and couldnt log in for almost an hour due to the ..excessive amount of people in the zone...

Lost a lot of people due to it and it left us with an attempt on Len with absolutely no damage, 1 shaman, 1 enchanter..etc...



SO I'd like to do lend tomorrow...I'd PREFER not to have to use the pass on it since it techincally wasnt OUR fault that we couldn't get online...it was the massive amount of people in kael causing people to receive "You Have been disconnected" before even entering Kael....

[Andaas]

I heard nothing of Kael going down last night (oh wait, that delayed our raid on the Statue :p).

Cazic and Statue down 11/8.

Yelinak / Sleeper's weren't touched, thanks Kael.

[Wyvern]

so whats the deal with rotations in respect to the kael stuff?

Lend, Tormax, yel, and warders still up?

[Quintall_ML]

Dunno about that being the case Dlgoth, but I wasn't online last night. I do know that some ML folks got booted from Kael and couldn't get back in for about ten minutes, and when they did, the zone had not dropped as all the mobs that had been killed had not respawned.

What is 'an excessive amount of people' anyway? Seen ToV with almost 150, EC with almost 200, Seb with over 150, for example, without having people get held out of the server. The other night with the Halloween stuff, Rathe Mountains hit 208 people before I left...and it wasn't even primetime yet.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

An Excessive amount of people was at least 100+ ML all standing around the same area, plus Hoss's crew for Vind/statue which was booted out for the most part. Not to mention the miscellaneous people in the zone.


I'm not trying to make excuses here, I've accepted our losses without a problem on the IGB in the past, but when I cant log in for over an hour due to a zone being congested, and I have people logging left and right because they cant get on their main chars, I'm not a happy camper.

[Selice-ML]

Lets get facts straight before finger pointing, shall we?

ML had 65ish people in Kael. There was a Network hiccup when it came to the Kael Zone.

Prexus had the SAME problem last night.

I fail to see how 65 ML in a zone will cause problems, but when there are 65 L`Malla, or 65 Vindi or whatever other guild in the zone, there are no problems :p

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

Fine fine whatever, we'll all dance around each other in bliss and say it was VI's fault. I don't care. Either way I'm not getting penalized for something that was beyond our control is my point...

[Quintall_ML]

So then what you are saying is that because ML coulnd't get more than 1 or 2 of our key classes online for our Tormax fight, we should be able to redo it to, since they logged because of server issues as well?

Not sure this flies Dlgoth, we've all been bitten by server bugs in the past and just licked our wounds while moving to the next thing. Especially since Hoss had no issue killing Statue, they were simply delayed a bit according to a previous post.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

Whatever fine call it our freaking pass for the month then

[Quintall_ML]

By that we'll assume you mean your extension. So noted, good luck on Lend and Yelinak tonight L`Malla.

[Rohaise]

Is Hoss using their monthly extension for last night's missed ST?

Or are they just calling it a "Pass" and going today (since they are up again anyway after trading with Vindication last week)?

Since still you're up either way, I just wanted to be clear on how it was being handled.

[Sirensa]

Originally posted by Rohaise
Is Hoss using their monthly extension for last night's missed ST?

Or are they just calling it a "Pass" and going today (since they are up again anyway after trading with Vindication last week)?

Since still you're up either way, I just wanted to be clear on how it was being handled.

No. We are not using our monthly extension for ST. Why would we, if as you say, we are up for the mobs again tonight? That would be a wasted extension. And illogical.

Hoss is not going to try to scam a free second day chance at ST.

Our interpretation of the rotation schedule puts ML up for warders tonight.

[Rohaise]

Actually, Hoss is up for Warders tonight, not ML. Hoss gets two turns in a row because they traded with Vindication.

Rotation before last night:

ST Warders - ML (11/7), Vind (T-Hoss 11/6), Hoss (T-Vind)


Hoss and Vindication traded on 11/6.

I.E.:

Recall that Rotation is ML->Vind->Hoss

Rotation 1 ------ 10/30 - ML
Rotation 1 ------ 10/31 - Vindication
Rotation 1 ------ 11/6 - Vindication (Traded with Hoss)

Rotation 2 ------ 11/7 - ML
Rotation 2 ------ 11/8 - Hoss (Made the above trade with Vindi) (Passed)
Rotation 2 ------ 11/9 - Hoss


Rotation 3 ------ 11/15 - ML
Rotation 3 ------ 11/21 - Vindication
Rotation 3 ------ 11/27 - Hoss

etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be ML's turn, but it's technically Hoss's. Vindication got to go twice in a row because they traded with you. Now Hoss goes twice in a row and Vindication loses that turn since they took it earlier.


Last night you were using the Vindication spot you traded for.

So again my question:

Are you using last night as your monthly pass, and going tonight + next spawn too?

Or are you counting last night as a missed opportunity and just going today in your normal rotation spot.


Edit: Clarity

[Sirensa]

*brain explodes*

Last night we counted as a pass.

Guess we'll have to squeeze them in tonight after Tormax.

If we wind up pass/fail tonight, then they are ML's tomorrow. We'll not be using our extension for either of these turns.

[Grazel_VE]

Originally posted by Thanatoz
Wasnt able to get to trak. got hung up on things in fear and it got late. So u can mark IG down for a pass on trak.

also we never passed on doze...we failed:)


If IG is getting marked as a pass for this, mark VE as a pass also on our previous attempt. We had the exact same problem - Trak kept getting stuck, no GMs around to reset him.

[Rohaise]

Sirensa -

Ok thanks.

I had a feeling there would be some confusion with a trade in a 3-way rotation. Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same wavelength now.

[Andaas]

You guys having the issues with Trakanon... this may help.

Trakanon will stand in 1 position for 20 minutes at a time. This includes standing at 1 of his 2 patrol points, or anyplace else in his lair area.

That means that he may appear to camp corpses, or whatever, but you just need to give him his 20 minutes to move on (and that 20 minutes starts when he becomes unaggro). After 20 minutes, he should reset to one of his normal patrol points.

[Grazel_VE]

Originally posted by Thanatoz
I think certain rotated mobs should have a Gatekeeper mob for them. Mobs that are comparable to what they will be going up against.

here is some of my examples

Vind for Statue
Statue for Tormax

Trak for Velk
Velk for Zlan and Doze
Zlan for Klan and Lend


Then after that Id say youve proven yourself pretty much. Dunno just an idea.


I disagree STRONGLY.

- When you get on a rotation, there is already a two to six week wait before you get your shot.

- It would be possible to camp the Gatekeeper mobs to keep someone one off a rotation.

- Gatekeepers may only drop stuff that's low priority for the guild in question. Forcing a guild to change its priorities is ridiculous.

- Just because GuildX thinks mobA is harder than mobB, doesn't mean that's true for other guilds.

- Finally, we simply don't have a problem with incapable guilds getting on rotations.

[Grazel_VE]

Originally posted by Andaas
You guys having the issues with Trakanon... this may help.

Trakanon will stand in 1 position for 20 minutes at a time. This includes standing at 1 of his 2 patrol points, or anyplace else in his lair area.

That means that he may appear to camp corpses, or whatever, but you just need to give him his 20 minutes to move on (and that 20 minutes starts when he becomes unaggro). After 20 minutes, he should reset to one of his normal patrol points.


This is not true anymore.

Trak was stuck for 20 HOURS on our last attempt. GM finally reset him (gee thanks for the fast response).

Then he got stuck again. Camped us for a full hour. We trained him away to the bridge. Waited a full 30 minutes, he didnt move. Logged in a rogue in the tunnels, out of Trak's sight. Boom aggro. Trak stuck in the tunnels again.

I dont care what Trak has done in the past, he's not doing it now. And GM service = ZERO, at least for VE.

[Quintall_ML]

Grazel,

Than wasn't saying Trak got stuck, he was saying they didn't get finished in time in PoF.

[Thanatoz]

Yes what Quintall said. :)

[Ciner]

Sont dead 11/9 as well as Vyemm/Vulak

Repop will go...
First day:
Eashen, Aary, Fesh, Dag, Kroy, Kio, Mir
Second day:
Zlex Sev Cek Jor Nev Vyemm Vulak

We really should lower the week thats "needed" to clear NToV hehe. I think Hoss usually has it done in 2-3 days, Vindi also has np with this. Can we make it 4 days perhaps?

[Ubar]

Did ML get Klandicar last night or p/f?

[Wyvern]

its now the third day since patch and no one has touched warders, Vind is now up correct?

ST Warders - ML (11/7), Vind (T-Hoss 11/6), Hoss (T-Vind P1-11/8)

As well, looking for a klan status, seems to be up but not sure if its repop or same one as yesterday.

[Yendii]

Lend died 11/9, I guess we passed on Yel.

[Blambil_VE]

VE lead the Naggy drop last night, so he's down, 10PM EST.

Bring on Ragefire!

[Selice-ML]

Recall that Rotation is ML->Vind->Hoss

Rotation 1 ------ 10/30 - ML
Rotation 1 ------ 10/31 - Vindication
Rotation 1 ------ 11/6 - Vindication (Traded with Hoss)

Rotation 2 ------ 11/7 - ML
Rotation 2 ------ 11/8 - Hoss (Made the above trade with Vindi) (Passed)
Rotation 2 ------ 11/9 - Hoss (didn't kill warders) so that would make ML up. Vindi went twice in a row with a trade from Hoss.

Rohaise has this better explained up top.

[Quintall_ML]

Rotations updated.

ML lost key classes thanks to the Sont pop and delay by having to move everyone, and Klan survived.

Zlan down 11/9

[Ciner]

According to Selice's post, rotation for ST is still listed incorrectly. Should be ML up with Vindi next right?

[Blambil_VE]

Ragefire down 9pm PST

Grats to Lanar of VE on your new epic...

let the "click me" requests begin.

[Quintall_ML]

Yelinak and ST done, 11/10

[Rezz]

Klandicar - Hoss (T-Vind 11/6), NI (added 11/8), ML (F1-11/9), Vind (T-Hoss 11/1), L`Malla (10/30)

Klan = Vind {L`Malla}

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unless I'm reading this wrong, wouldn't this put us up now instead of vindication? it would appear that every guild here on the rotation has killed/attempted Kland since our last attempt. Just lookin for some clarification :)

[Wyvern]

shrug, i think its correct because of the trade.

Klan died last nite, 11/10

[Blambil_VE]

Sont up 9pm PST

[Thanatoz]

Hey I have an idea that might help everyone out with rotations. By each mob could we put what there typical spawn rate is. ie

Trakanon{3Day}

/shrug

[Quintall_ML]

Not all of them are set timers, or if they are, not all timers are known exactly (Dain):

Ragefire
Sontalak
Klandicar
Zlandicar
Sev

People are reading mass info as it is up there. If you want to make another thread that is purely info on spawn timers, that may work out better.

Info for that purpose:

Trak - 3 day
CT - 7 day
Rage - Variable
Sontalak - Variable ~2 day
Klandicar - Variable ~3 day
Yelinak - 7 day
ST - 5 day (6 day?)
N ToV - 7 day
Tormax - 7 day
Dain - Unknown (5-10 day?)
Statue - 5 day
Lendiniara - 7 day
Zlandicar - Unknown (7 day?)

[Sows McBuff]

rage down.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

sont down 11/12

[Rohaise]

Trakanon status please? Did L`Malla kill him Monday night?

[Rohaise]

Just checked. Trakanon still up. Looks like VE is up Tuesday night.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

@#$@#$@@$

<--Had NO idea we were up for Trak atm


*sigh* Good to see my officers are checking the IGB while I'm moving =\

[Wyvern]

Dain died.. a cple days ago, ill check our logs for a date.

[Quintall_ML]

Done to here.

[Dlgoth Riknueth]

You positive Trak was up?


"Talked to Vindi, and they said the real Trak died at approx 1am eastern..."

That was just posted by one of my guildmates who's dying for the undead bard atm...


So...how was he up this morning? And if Vind killed him (albiet past the 24 hours, but i'm don't give two shits about that), wouldnt that make us next up?

[Grazel_VE]

Originally posted by Rohaise
Just checked. Trakanon still up. Looks like VE is up Tuesday night.

That was fast.

FOUR of the eight guilds on the Trak rotation passed. Blearg. Fuxors our schedule but we'll see what we can do.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a guild passes, shouldn't they notify the next guild ASAP? VE was in PoF until 2AM EST, there was plenty of time to notify us. Sucks to find out about this only a few hours before the raid has to get organized.