Chuck Noris lays down the law in Texas

[Lonskils]

It's about a week old, but just now saw it.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2071-DC-Special-Interests-Examiner~y2009m3d9-Chuck-Norris-claims-thousands-of-right-wing-cell-groups-exist-and-will-rebel-against-US-government

The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the military to refuse (http://www.examiner.com/x-2071-DC-Special-Interests-Examiner%7Ey2009m2d25-Is-the-Republican-Party-fomenting-rebellion-among-the-armed-forces-as-a-political-tactic) the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come through secession Texas would lead the way.
Today in his syndicated column on WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91103) Norris reiterates the point: “That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.”

He continues; calling on a second American Revolution; “…we've bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…”

Norris claims that; “Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.” The right wing cells will meet during a live telecast, "We Surround Them," on Friday March 13 at 5 p.m.

He closes with the words of Sam Houston followed by a plug for his next martial arts event.

“We view ourselves on the eve of battle."

[Aindayen]

Friggen Chuck :(

Ain

[Stosh]

I guess when people stop talking about you in Barren's chat, you'll do anything to get attention.

[Aerothas]

So maybe I didn't have to verbally beat the shit out of a guy from Texas who said "Hey, I'm from Texas- what country are you from?" at a local bar.

[Stosh]

So maybe I didn't have to verbally beat the shit out of a guy from Texas who said "Hey, I'm from Texas- what country are you from?" at a local bar.

I for one would be intrigued to hear Chuck explain his reasoning for saying "Texas was never formally a part of the United States."

[Forty]

I for one would be intrigued to hear Chuck explain his reasoning for saying "Texas was never formally a part of the United States."

Because it wasn't. And never was. And yeah, I'm more Democrat than those damn Southern Baptists jack asses. The planet earth was to be protected not exploited. (raised Lutheran and Baptist (not Southern) which means the surmon was cut short depending on the Cowboys kick-off time. Have to have time to get beer and such before kick-off after all.).

But my flag flies one way. That's Lone Star.

And Chuck Norris better be careful when he quotes a Texas hero. President Sam Houston was against slavery and against Texas joining the United States and the South because of it. President Sam Houston stayed in the Big Thicket before taking the Texas Jayhawks to Kansas.

And I'll promise you this. I'll personally put a bullet in Chuck Norris's head before I'll let him soil the name of Sam Houston or any one at the Alamo or Goliad. And that's a 100% Pure Texan laying the smack down on a pretend Texan.


And who the hell takes anyone born in Oklahoma (Chuck Norris) seriously?


"You may all go to hell, for I will go to Texas." Davy Crockett

[Stosh]

Because it wasn't. And never was.


I'm looking for facts, not statements.

[renshin]

Texas Revolution
Texas is the only state to enter the United States by treaty instead of territorial annexation. The state was an independent country from 1836 to 1845.

Prior to 1824 Texas was a Spanish possession and thereafter part of independent Mexico. Americans began to settle in Texas beginning in 1821 when Spanish authorities allowed American to acquire land in the sparsely settled region. Although prospective settlers were required to be Catholic, conduct their affairs in Spanish, and swear allegiance to Spain and then Mexico, the loyalties of the overwhelmingly Protestant settlers remained to the United States. Grievances against the Mexican Government grew.

When Mexico adopted a new centralist constitution and abolished slavery, an institution upon which many Texas settlers depended, a movement for seccession developed. Despite US neutrality laws, the movement received considerable support from American citizens in the form of money, arms, and volunteers.

Texans [or Texians, according to some sources], began fighting for independence from Mexico in 1835. The first offensive action of the Texas Revolution occurred in Goliad on October 9, 1835 when local colonists captured the fort and town. On December 20, 1835 the first Declaration of Texas Independence was signed in Goliad and the first flag of Texas Independence was hoisted.

Residents of the Mexican province of Texas revolted, only to be quickly overwhelmed in early fighting against Mexican soldiers. By December the small Texas army had captured the important crossroads town of San Antonio de Bexar and seized the garrison known as the Alamo. Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna [less frequently Santa Anna] recaptured the town on March 6, 1836, after a thirteen-day siege; the Mexican army suffered an estimated 600 casualties. Of the official list of 189 Texan defenders, all were killed. Historians continue to debate the number of defenders inside the Alamo.

The defense of the Alamo is well-known for those who fought for Texas. David Crockett, James (Jim) Bowie, and William Barret Travis were among those remembered by the "Remember the Alamo" reported to be yelled at the victory at San Jacinto. The cost entailed in regaining San Antonio contributed to General Santa Anna's defeat less than two months later.

On April 21, 1836, Sam Houston, commander of the Texas army, led 800 troops, inspired by the sacrifice of their comrades at the Alamo, in a surprise attack on Santa Anna's 1,600 men. Fortunes changed when this ragtag army commanded by General Sam Houston surprised and routed Mexican forces camped near the San Jacinto River on the outskirts of the present-day city of Houston, subsequently named for the general. The Texans captured Mexican leader Antonio López de Santa Anna, who had little choice but to sign a treaty granting Texas independence. Houston's decisive victory at San Jacinto secured Texas independence from Mexico.

The leaders of the republic first voted for annexation in 1836, soon after gaining independence from Mexico. Sam Houston, commander of the Texas army during the fight for independence from Mexico and the first president of the Republic of Texas, was a strong advocate of annexation. The administration of President Martin Van Buren, however, declined since annexing Texas at that point would have meant war with Mexico, and senators of the Northern States opposed entry into the union of another slave state. Accordingly, while the United States extended diplomatic recognition to Texas, it took no further action concerning annexation until 1844, when President John Tyler restarted negotiations with the Republic of Texas.

The treaty signed by Santa Anna designated the meandering Rio Grande River as the border between the new Republic of Texas and Mexico. Mexican authorities, however, vehemently disputed the treaty's validity, arguing that their congress never ratified the document that Santa Anna signed under duress. Furthermore, they insisted that the traditional Texas boundary was much further north and should remain there, paralleling the Nueces River. The Nueces flows into the Gulf of Mexico near the Texas coastal city, Corpus Christi. Between the Nueces and the Rio Grande, stretched dry, dusty earth, mostly sparsely settled. Called a "no-man's land," much of the disputed territory was controlled by outlaws who swore allegiance to no government, only to themselves. The question of Texas's southern border remained unresolved, with the border dispute festering, then erupting in 1845 when the United States annexed Texas.

For the nine years Texas remained an independent republic, recognized by many countries, but not Mexico. Texas was cultivated by England and France, who saw an independent Texas as a balance to the United States in North America. By 1845 the British convinced the Mexican Government to recognize Texan independence to forestall annexation by the United States, but it was too late. Mexico acknowledged Texas's independence, with the condition that Texas would not join Mexico's aggressive northern neighbor, the United States.

In 1845, the political climate proved more favorable to the request for statehood. On June 23, 1845, a joint resolution of the Congress of Texas voted in favor of annexation by the United States. Acknowledging the idea of Manifest Destiny that had seized the American public, Secretaries of State Upshur and Calhoun negotiated a treaty of annexation with the Republic of Texas, but the treaty was rejected by the Senate due in large measure to the opposition of Northern senators. Recognizing that the two-thirds Senate vote required to ratify a treaty was unattainable, President John Tyler presented a simple declaration of the annexation of Texas to Congress, which passed it by joint resolution. On December 29, 1845, Texas officially became the twenty-eighth state in the Union although the formal transfer of government did not take place until February 19, 1846.

The annexation led to a break in diplomatic relations with Mexico, which had never formally recognized Texas independence, and created a US-Mexico boundary dispute. The historic southern border of Texas had been the Nueces River, the border recognized by the Mexican Government, while the United States recognized the Rio Grande River, the border claimed by Texas based on the treaties Santa Anna was forced to sign after his capture.

[Forty]

I'm looking for facts, not statements.

No treaty was formally (or informally) signed between Texas and the United States.

The United States Supreme Court upheld the annex of Texas simply because the Texas convention voted 55 to 1 in favor of annexation and the President of Texas was in attendance during the vote.

Others also claim that, before becoming a state, the area in question must first become a territory and then voted in. Texas was never a territory. This is also one reason some claim West Virgina is not a legal state as well (or something like that).

[Aindayen]

Renshin that is the longerst post you've ever had. I am still not reading it!

MY EYES BLEEEEEEED

Ain

[Angelie]

I suck your post renshin!

[renshin]

Lol. Go Texas! In actuality Texas annexed the United States...they just don't know it yet.

[Kirynos]

No reference, I am appalled.

:confuse:

[sendain]

Great posts :)

[Nexten]

Can we plz let Texas leave?...I vote yes

[Lonskils]

maybe next year when you are paying for your own health care and benefits package you'll change your tune Nexten =p

[Aerothas]

meh health care sucks anyway. Wait.. does Texas own our nations health care as well as a football team full of criminals and whiny bitches?

Yea, I went there.

[Lonskils]

Yeah, ummm last I checked the Cowboys only arrest in the last 8 years was Spencer this past winter for being drunk in public. Can try again on that one. Who is your favorite football team, I'll let you know how many criminals are on your team. And no, Texas doesn't believe in socialism so you get your own insurance.

[Stosh]

Yeah, ummm last I checked the Cowboys only arrest in the last 8 years was Spencer this past winter for being drunk in public. Can try again on that one.

You didn't look hard enough if you missed Dwayne Goodrich killing two people and Nate Newton getting caught twice in just a few weeks hauling 100+ pounds of pot.

And while this was more than eight years ago, Rafael Septien molested a 10 year old child.

[Lonskils]

Yeah, guess you missed the part where Nate Newton retired in 1999, Dwayne Goodrich had a horrible accident that until that time he had had no problem with authorities ever nor was he even mentioned as a problem child. That goes all the way back to 03 so I'll take it back to 6 years if you like. Again, what is your favorite sports team in the nfl and lets see what they have on their sidelines the last 6-8 years as far as arrests. Are are you really gonna go there about a place kicker that hasn't even played in the league since 87 before Jerry Jones even bought the fucking team and played for the beloved Tom? Again, bring it all out and lets get it over with, throw those stones, but lets see if you team stands up to the same throw shall we?

[Forty]

Can we plz let Texas leave?...I vote yes

And to answer your question more specifically, we did legally leave the United States but were forced back, illegally, into the Union.

In accordance with the Constitution of the United States, inclusion in the United States as a "State" is voluntary and the state is free to leave, legally, at anytime. The United States has no power, except military, to force a state to remain in the Union. So yes, California, New Mexico, New York, New Jersey etc could all legally leave the US at anytime.

[Sabertootth]

Yeah, guess you missed the part where Nate Newton retired in 1999, Dwayne Goodrich had a horrible accident that until that time he had had no problem with authorities ever nor was he even mentioned as a problem child. That goes all the way back to 03 so I'll take it back to 6 years if you like. Again, what is your favorite sports team in the nfl and lets see what they have on their sidelines the last 6-8 years as far as arrests. Are are you really gonna go there about a place kicker that hasn't even played in the league since 87 before Jerry Jones even bought the fucking team and played for the beloved Tom? Again, bring it all out and lets get it over with, throw those stones, but lets see if you team stands up to the same throw shall we?

i think lons wins arguement
and i thought this was about chuck norris not the cowboys
chuck norris can lead a horse to watter AND make it drink

[Stosh]

Yeah, guess you missed the part where Nate Newton retired in 1999, Dwayne Goodrich had a horrible accident that until that time he had had no problem with authorities ever nor was he even mentioned as a problem child. That goes all the way back to 03 so I'll take it back to 6 years if you like. Again, what is your favorite sports team in the nfl and lets see what they have on their sidelines the last 6-8 years as far as arrests. Are are you really gonna go there about a place kicker that hasn't even played in the league since 87 before Jerry Jones even bought the fucking team and played for the beloved Tom? Again, bring it all out and lets get it over with, throw those stones, but lets see if you team stands up to the same throw shall we?

Personally, I don't give a shit because I don't derive self worth based upon the arrest records of athletes that happen to play for a team I follow.

I'm pretty sure Jerry Jones doesn't either. I bet he wouldn't give back any SuperBowl victories even if it meant that Marcus Coleman wasn't arrested in 2006 and Peppi Zellner wasn't arrested in 2003.

I'm just posting because I saw some bullshit about "only one arrest in eight years" and couldn't help myself from posting, even though getting involved in a "My football team is better than your football team because we have less than the average number of arrests per team." is a patently ridiculous topic.

[Stosh]

And to answer your question more specifically, we did legally leave the United States but were forced back, illegally, into the Union.

In accordance with the Constitution of the United States, inclusion in the United States as a "State" is voluntary and the state is free to leave, legally, at anytime. The United States has no power, except military, to force a state to remain in the Union. So yes, California, New Mexico, New York, New Jersey etc could all legally leave the US at anytime.

My copy of the constitution doesn't expressly include any provisions for states leaving the union. There's already been at least one case decided by the Supreme Court that said that states do not have the unilateral right to secede based partly upon the Articles of Confederation which was ratified by each of the original thirteen colonies. The thirteenth article of such stating "And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual."

[Sabertootth]

I'm just posting because I saw some bullshit about "only one arrest in eight years" and couldn't help myself from posting, even though getting involved in a "My football team is better than your football team because we have less than the average number of arrests per team." is a patently ridiculous topic.

so this is a i wanted to start a fight moment?
/2 FTW?

[Sabertootth]

My copy of the constitution doesn't expressly include any provisions for states leaving the union. There's already been at least one case decided by the Supreme Court that said that states do not have the unilateral right to secede based partly upon the Articles of Confederation which was ratified by each of the original thirteen colonies. The thirteenth article of such stating "And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual."

And, if you read the Texas Constitution that is upheld in Texas and was aproved by congress when the state of texas was officialy breought into the United States, the state of Texas has the right to seceed from the Union any time it feels like it. So, you are overlooking one simple fact The Texas Constitution is on even ground with the US constitution and is as strong as the US constitution proven in the supreme court ruling back in 1896 when John Taylor killed a man because the Texas Constitution said that you could if he was on your property. (also a minor fact you may have overlooked) and took to the supreme court of the United states and all charges were droped

7th grade Texas History FTW!:cool:

[renshin]

Ok so everyone now agrees that Texas > All the United States.

[Sabertootth]

i believe so

[Lonskils]

Personally, I don't give a shit because I don't derive self worth based upon the arrest records of athletes that happen to play for a team I follow.

I'm pretty sure Jerry Jones doesn't either. I bet he wouldn't give back any SuperBowl victories even if it meant that Marcus Coleman wasn't arrested in 2006 and Peppi Zellner wasn't arrested in 2003.

I'm just posting because I saw some bullshit about "only one arrest in eight years" and couldn't help myself from posting, even though getting involved in a "My football team is better than your football team because we have less than the average number of arrests per team." is a patently ridiculous topic.

Who said anything about self worth? And you are continually bringing up folks that don't play for the Cowboys anymore and/or were arrested AFTER they left the cowboys.

Marcus Coleman was a free agent we brought in in 2006 that was arrested for DUI, oh hold the jail open for that bastard!! He got let go the next day btw after his arrest.

Peppi Zellner was hardly even a 3rd stringer and was gone baby gone when that happened.

And nether of those two even played on the super bowl teams.

And yeah I guess technically you can call those arrests, but my idea of arrest isn't a weekend in jail to sober up and losing your drivers license. Guess that means that about 99% of the families in the US are full criminals, cause how many don't have a DUI arrest in them an aunt and uncle dad mom sister brother?

[Aerothas]

Thats mah quartaback!

[Valdis]

Lons please do the Browns in the last 10 years it would be great to see that list.

[NormetheGnome]

Where the fuck are you from that you dont know Texas is the only state that can bow out of the Union? Fucking yankees.

[Nexten]

cuz noone cares about texas =\

[Valdis]

I'm ok with Texas seceding but if you do I say we stick you with CA.

[NormetheGnome]

Thats ok. But we're not gonna keep the mexicans.

[Valdis]

Hey once you're gone they're your problem.

[Octavus]

If Texas leaves can we keep Ron White? By far the best thing to come out of the state.

YouTube - Ron White - They Call Me "Tater Salad" HIGH QUALITY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI8eWEG2c4M)