Thanatoz
08-03-2001, 01:13 AM
I spoke with Indecisive tonight about what there plans are. Was a level headed conversation and i thought went pretty well. I logged some of the conversation and asked if he didnt mind me quoting him on a few things. so here we go. ive edited out all my l33t strats and exploits to protect the innocent.
You told Indecisive, 'but why? why would u want a FFA? it doesnt make sense'
[Thu Aug 02 23:47:19 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We don't want to FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:08:36 2001] You told Indecisive, 'get on rotation and I gaurantee u that there is plenty to do and plenty to kill'
[Fri Aug 03 00:08:56 2001] You told Indecisive, 'i see it every day'
[Fri Aug 03 00:09:06 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'sec, bathroom'
1:01 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I never said we were going FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:11:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I just doubt we will reenter that rotation.'
hes talking about ragefire at this point
[Fri Aug 03 00:11:58 2001] You told Indecisive, 'and what will be the drawbacks when u break rage spawn'
[Fri Aug 03 00:12:16 2001] You told Indecisive, 'that guild wont honor any of your rotations...and then utter FFA'
[Fri Aug 03 00:12:38 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'What would be so wrong with FFA?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:00 2001] You told Indecisive, 'have u played on a FFA server?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:07 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We used to be FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:23 2001] You told Indecisive, 'not to the extent that it would be now'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:30 2001] You told Indecisive, 'sure ffa with just ML was easy'
not bashing ML..just saying a FFA with one guild isnt bad
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:41 2001] Thanatoz saved.
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:48 2001] You told Indecisive, 'now there are mltiple guilds that would challenge you'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:00 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'It isn't about us.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:13 2001] You told Indecisive, 'it is tho'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:38 2001] You told Indecisive, 'your in charge of seekers now...you decide the fate of your guild on this server'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:58 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I'm not in charge. (='
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:13 2001] You told Indecisive, 'well cinder claims he isnt...so who is:)'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:21 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Must be a mystery.. (='
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:24 2001] You told Indecisive, 'lmao'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:30 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We will decide our fate.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:48 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'And I am telling you, it won't be taking turns with every swinging dick who walks through the door.'
Fri Aug 03 00:23:34 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Maybe. Look at it this way.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:23:52 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Vindi and Hoss kill Lend, Sont, Zlan and Klan, and Yel right?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:09 2001] You told Indecisive, 'yes they do'
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:15 2001] Thanatoz saved.
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:16 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'sec, gonna be zoning'
[Fri Aug 03 00:25:43 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Thats 5 ST keys right there. 3 of which no other guild can touch.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:26:27 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Now, why are we being so nice following the rotation when they could provide the same gesture and say "hey, ya know what, there are a lot of guys that need keys, why don't we let them have zlan and klan?"'
[Fri Aug 03 00:26:47 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'They won't, because they know the effect of other guilds have the same DPS as them,.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'They have complete freedom in N-ToV, yet they still bog everyone else down by staying on the rotation for EVERYTHING.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:30 2001] You told Indecisive, 'ok now that is a valid issue'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:43 2001] You told Indecisive, 'and it should be brought up'
[Fri Aug 03 00:29:08 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Try bringing that up some time.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:29:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'See how they like it.'
Lots of issues with this. Also he claims that if Hoss showed up for rage they woulda backed away. But rage was up for over 15hours and if he was not killed that it woulda gone to a total of 30+ hours before he went down. And thats almost another rage spawn in that time frame.
Basically there not willing to wait 10months before entering ST. I see there view point on this.
However I dont believe in FFA and im 100% pro rotation. It comes down to compromises if this is gonna get worked out.
You told Indecisive, 'but why? why would u want a FFA? it doesnt make sense'
[Thu Aug 02 23:47:19 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We don't want to FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:08:36 2001] You told Indecisive, 'get on rotation and I gaurantee u that there is plenty to do and plenty to kill'
[Fri Aug 03 00:08:56 2001] You told Indecisive, 'i see it every day'
[Fri Aug 03 00:09:06 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'sec, bathroom'
1:01 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I never said we were going FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:11:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I just doubt we will reenter that rotation.'
hes talking about ragefire at this point
[Fri Aug 03 00:11:58 2001] You told Indecisive, 'and what will be the drawbacks when u break rage spawn'
[Fri Aug 03 00:12:16 2001] You told Indecisive, 'that guild wont honor any of your rotations...and then utter FFA'
[Fri Aug 03 00:12:38 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'What would be so wrong with FFA?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:00 2001] You told Indecisive, 'have u played on a FFA server?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:07 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We used to be FFA.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:23 2001] You told Indecisive, 'not to the extent that it would be now'
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:30 2001] You told Indecisive, 'sure ffa with just ML was easy'
not bashing ML..just saying a FFA with one guild isnt bad
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:41 2001] Thanatoz saved.
[Fri Aug 03 00:13:48 2001] You told Indecisive, 'now there are mltiple guilds that would challenge you'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:00 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'It isn't about us.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:13 2001] You told Indecisive, 'it is tho'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:38 2001] You told Indecisive, 'your in charge of seekers now...you decide the fate of your guild on this server'
[Fri Aug 03 00:14:58 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'I'm not in charge. (='
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:13 2001] You told Indecisive, 'well cinder claims he isnt...so who is:)'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:21 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Must be a mystery.. (='
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:24 2001] You told Indecisive, 'lmao'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:30 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'We will decide our fate.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:15:48 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'And I am telling you, it won't be taking turns with every swinging dick who walks through the door.'
Fri Aug 03 00:23:34 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Maybe. Look at it this way.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:23:52 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Vindi and Hoss kill Lend, Sont, Zlan and Klan, and Yel right?'
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:09 2001] You told Indecisive, 'yes they do'
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:15 2001] Thanatoz saved.
[Fri Aug 03 00:24:16 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'sec, gonna be zoning'
[Fri Aug 03 00:25:43 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Thats 5 ST keys right there. 3 of which no other guild can touch.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:26:27 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Now, why are we being so nice following the rotation when they could provide the same gesture and say "hey, ya know what, there are a lot of guys that need keys, why don't we let them have zlan and klan?"'
[Fri Aug 03 00:26:47 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'They won't, because they know the effect of other guilds have the same DPS as them,.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'They have complete freedom in N-ToV, yet they still bog everyone else down by staying on the rotation for EVERYTHING.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:30 2001] You told Indecisive, 'ok now that is a valid issue'
[Fri Aug 03 00:27:43 2001] You told Indecisive, 'and it should be brought up'
[Fri Aug 03 00:29:08 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'Try bringing that up some time.'
[Fri Aug 03 00:29:13 2001] Indecisive tells you, 'See how they like it.'
Lots of issues with this. Also he claims that if Hoss showed up for rage they woulda backed away. But rage was up for over 15hours and if he was not killed that it woulda gone to a total of 30+ hours before he went down. And thats almost another rage spawn in that time frame.
Basically there not willing to wait 10months before entering ST. I see there view point on this.
However I dont believe in FFA and im 100% pro rotation. It comes down to compromises if this is gonna get worked out.