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I'm fairly excited about this one, as I really enjoyed the original. It sounds like they're trying to be pretty innovative with it, and the art is still the signature Guild Wars style which is infinitely better than WoW.
Invitations to sign up for the beta just went out this morning.
And the best part: just like the original, there's no subscription fee.
https://beta.guildwars2.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FU1JUwPqzQY
Signed up. Very excited for this one in the future.
I signed up too, this one does look promising. The no-sub fee is nice too. I dabbled with the original some, thought it was pretty cool. I was playing so much WoW at the time though I just didn't have the time to sink in to it. I should have more time to dig in to GW2. They are looking to do some pretty cool things in GW2, I'm looking forward to it.
Reddit WvW AMA from the devs:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...a_about_world/
Oh, and yeah, I'll be playing the shit out of this game. And stuff.
It kind of reminds me of a greatly expanded version of what they did with the invasions/portals in Rift. With the dynamic grouping and such. I think it is looking pretty cool.
I would normally be interested, but I have a feeling it will be similar to the first (not gameplay etc) just overall feel. For me and I mean this as in my view only the games initial release was good and just seemed as it went on it declined in quality. THIS is the only thing that makes me leery about no sub fee (or form of payment). Regardless what we think etc at least part of that sub fee is helping pay them for premium content. Whether we all love that content is another story. But then again I am one of those that likes leveling to take awhile etc otherwise I could just go play a rpg imo anyhow.
MMO's have just become RPG's with grouping and online play of late. It's getting rather lame to be honest.
I lol'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonskils
Oh wait, were you being serious?
MMO + RPG = MMORPG????
It's just the first M changed. It's Minimally Multiplayer Online RPG, not Massively.
That was the point. Wow started out bad enough int he soloing everything dept. But man just gets worse and worse.
I'm kinda sick of every game since Dark Age of Camelot claiming to give this fantastic dynamic world where the players alter the game drastically. I like games where I can plan to do things and do it. Such as 'Oh, if I do these raids/groups a lot, the chance of X to drop and go to me increases, awesome-ville'. Quest that bounce around and moving-camps bother me some. The less luck that is involved the better. However, I am going to give GW2 a try. I think the public groups will isolate people to never talk and the rewards (in terms of exp) will make mostly piss-poor players do them. But meh... free to play, big woop. Here is to rolling the smallest race available and playing as an engineer, throwing down whatever gadgets I can!
The game looks like a lot of fun, I ran across an artical about it, i knew nothing about it before this post gave a lot of info on it + videos! http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...iated.-READ-ME
Damn! I just read through most of that article/forum post, I had an idea about some of the game systems, but didn't know all the details. This games looks freaking awesome. So many cool things, dynamic content, persistent world, group combo abilities, ability to swap to different servers... and many more. Too many cool features to list. Man, if they can pull all that stuff off, this game is going to be so awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trem
I just hope Secret World doesn't release around the same time, I want to try that one too!
I agree with Z the read was pretty damn good.
For some reason my persception of GW was simply pvp.
When is this being released?
The current guess on a release date is June. I don't think there has been any official announcement from NCSoft/ArenaNet. Just speculation based on where they are currently in the beta process.
I found this link about GW2, its a collection of the beta Video links. http://www.gw2camp.com/headlines/161...40-videos.html
Did anyone get a beta invite to this game?
Nope. Still waiting! ><
Oh my god. A MMO champion thread with substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trem
Yeah, this game looks like a must-buy. I avoided reading about it until recently, as I found GW1 to be so bad I quit after about 15 minutes. But after I kept hearing how GW2 will crush SWTOR into a fine pulp, I gave the threads about it a look. If only I could find a description of a game's gameplay like the one in the above link for every game, it would make choosing obscure games to try a lot easier. Instead of convincing me to play their game with gameplay info, every goddamn game's website is just full of concept art and lore. As if I gave a shit. Although L2's "every male is gay and orcs are black people" art was a big turn off.
Anyway, GW2 seems to be the biggest shakeup for MMORPGs since WoW's launch. In fact I was really surprised to see them implement some ideas that I came up with years ago, albeit not precisely how I envisioned them. Equipped weapons determining a skill set for example. A mage's weapons doing nothing but enlarging his mana pool and possibly adding X more points to his fireball is just dumb. If you equip a wand, you should be zapping people with it. If you equip a sword, you should be slashing people. If you equip a mace, you should be crushing them. In WoW and EQ, the only difference between weapons is the word placed before the damage amount in the log, as you use a some generic 'strike' ability for all weapons. Lame.
Also, a biggie is every player having individual loot for every mob he contributes to killing, and the outright elimination of the concept of 'owning' mobs. This is probably the #1 thing I would do. Of course they do it differently than I would; they apparently award 100% full undivided exp and loot for every single player who touches a mob. This has been done before in MUDs. Long before EQ, I played a MUD that did that, and what everybody on the server did was group up into a massive raid, and zerg mobs that were super high level. It's really pretty dumb-- even though another idea I would want to implement is the high end levels only being achievable via raids and raid exp, so I'm not against raiding for exp by any means.
The biggest problem with MMORPGs is the difficulty in finding people to group with, and forging relationships. Forcing players to sit in town shouting LFG is retarded. Having to set up some silly UI derived group with an invite button is a completely unnecessary barrier to cooperative player interaction. Why make players do this? Why can't I just walk up to the battlefield, and start healing injured comrades and kill our mortal enemies without having to ask permission? It makes zero sense. The obvious solution is to have the server reward players based on contribution instead of awarding it all to the player with the most damage or the first to attack. Players can then move on to harder, more rewarding content as more of them show up.
I also love hearing 'persistent world' and 'dynamic content'. Fuck instancing. The reviewer even says "A lack of persistence is something that bothered people in GW1". Lately I hear more and more people waking up to the fact that using instancing to guarantee that everybody wins is incredibly myopic.
WvWvW sounds like old school AV on steroids, HGH, and 5 hour energy. This is pretty much what I'll be doing almost exclusively. Screw those lame 5 man dungeons with terribly written lore and scripted bullshit. I did nothing but BGs in WoW for several years, so I'm all over this.
Sadly they have the same 'the game begins at level cap' mentality every other game does; and they want everybody to win by making the journey to the level cap a short one. Here's a radical idea: why not make your pre-level cap game not shitty? Funny how gear is-- for all intents and purposes-- a second level, but nobody gives a shit when the casuals aren't getting the best gear. People in raid and arena gear were absolutely obliterating scrubs in quest greens in WoW's BGs. WoW's arenas are extremely difficult for people who enter in late and start facing opponents in full sets of current season gear. I've been saying for years that a handicap needed to be implemented that scaled with a team's avg ilevel, but of course nobody gave a shit. Meanwhile on WoW's largest battlegroup, I saw less than 10 BGs running in prime time. Gee, wonder why.
Items in the game seem WoW-like. Tradeskills seem WoW-like. Personal quests seem SWTOR-like. Conquest maps seem WoW BGs-like. Dungeons are WoW-like, although the combat is twitchier and lacks the traditional heal mechanics. Armor graphics look like they'll be meaningless like WoW. Diablo 2-like waypoints will make travel meaningless.
Dynamic events sound very interesting though. The one thing in the last 7 years I would consider a step in the right direction is Warhammer's public quests. It was crude and too 'mechanical' but the idea that a quest could be something beyond a NPC giving the exact same task to every single player in the game/faction and having it not affect the world in any way shape or form was nice to see. Now if they would only take it further and create quests that are only done by a limited number of players, or even just one player, which are given by NPCs that actually NEED something to do something. (i.e. it needs mats to make items to vendor) Or better yet, allow players to construct their own quests for other players.
I'll be playing GW2, no question. What you might not know Torrid is that the developers actually considered a system where there were no levels. After testing however, they felt like it was too foreign for people to not have levels and felt like it might be a turn-off for people. So they put levels back in, but made them effectively meaningless. Any player of any level can participate in a fight against any creature. I'm not sure why you think they subscribe to the "game starts at level cap" thing, I never got that impression from anything I read in that thread or about the game. They allow side-kicking, or whatever you wanna call it - so if you group with your friends you scale up (or they scale down) to be the same level so you can play together. The same goes for PvP, you automatically scale to the level of the BG and get BG appropriate gear just for PvP - no more grinding gear just so you don't get obliterated.
Hope it'll live up to the hype.
I was sort of looking forward to eventually trying it. Though my hope was not for super easy levels. Rather stuff to enjoy at all levels so people would not have the feeling of be max level to enjoy. Which correct me if I am wrong torrid is sort of what you were getting at. Even with what they have put in place they have made it obvious they want you to be able to get to max lvl as soon as possible. Now I may be wrong and Torrid feels completely opposite of what I am saying and what I am feeling. But rather i was hoping as I said for the lvling content etc to be fun engaging and as fun as everything else. With that not needing lvls to be fast etc, but for levels to matter without hindering the fun because of your said level. As I said this is what my views are, and I think similar to what Torrid may have been saying when he said that. Though If I am wrong I am sorry and freely correct me.
Short levels does not mean it's easy. Long levels does not mean it's hard either.
Levels should come as a result of gameplay not vice versa.
Yes but I think I read where by design they want it to take 90 minutes per lvl after lvl 30. All I was saying is with fulfilling content at all levels There would be no need for developers or players to worry about how fast or more to the point how long it takes to max out level. But as I said its just how I feel about it. Short levels does not mean its easy? I am not speaking about the game in itself being easy. I am just talking about the leveling. Lets just say this is random numbers btw it took 5 hours to lvl to 80 assuming that is max, I would say that would be considered pretty easy as far as leveling is concerned. Would just be nice to play a game again where the goal is not to log on run around solo grabbing quests completing them by oneself just to burst to *insert lvl here*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syana
Yet, if levels takes longer to attain as you gain levels, you'd need to kill more mobs (grindy) and or do more quests (kill more shit and pick up more poop and deliver more errands).Quote:
Originally Posted by Loniel Bonewalker
Now, I'm not saying that I like the flat linear leveling curve. At the same time, I don't think it'll make the pre-level cap content boring or otherwise bland.
However, I do know that with a linear leveling curve, *I* (and maybe a bunch of other people who don't like playing alts because leveling is a bitch) may be more incline to try different clas.. err professions. God knows SWTOR blowed chunks in this regard. 16 individual storylines! YAY! But you have to do the same fucking side quests and planet quests to level. BOO!
All the hype aside, this game could sink just like any other game. Although, because this game has no monthly fee, I consider it a better investment over SWTOR already.
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Originally Posted by Syana
I am not arguing against it being "grindy". I want to be able to mow through mobs to level etc.. Without it being wrong or stupid that I am doing this instead of racking up a buncha quests and banging them out. Where logging on and doing a dungeon/instance/area with some friends is viable/doable/fun, to the point where when I log on there will be people who want to do these things. Instead of saying "fuck no there is no point" that is all. I also for instance like each character to be a sort of investment. Otherwise really why not design a fun as can be game at max lvl give u max characters and just design pure content without worrying about quests from a leveling standpoint. Though it hold true different strokes and all.
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• Dynamic Content – Gone are the days of looking for a symbol above an NPCs head to tell you exactly where to go just as everyone else has before you. Content in GW2 is generated by the Dynamic Event system that is completely persistent and changes how everyone in the world sees content based on your action or in-action.
You do realize that's what they say they are doing.
From what i have seen on videos and articles about the game. i get the feeling its much more open game. You enter an area talk to a scout dude who tells you of stuff that is going on in the area and you have to investigate it, when entering in said area quests start to pop up that are single or done by a group of people that may or may not be in a group. that sounds amazing to me coupled with the auto de level or up level with people in the group or by area so you can go anywhere your friends are and play is also sweet. it makes level seem less required and a much more enjoy your play time without having to feel like a min/max road to max level.
I really like the more causal feel to the game it doesn't limit you on the things you can do by level or gear. the pvp gear and auto level is so huge im looking forward to that and wvwvw. its a game i will play and not feel bad about not being able to devote so much time to vs cost.
With all of the good there might be some bad as i do not really see a true end game pve, but then again all the press videos have only been to lv 30 range so how knows what they have in mind. its really hard for me to find bad things to say about it but i haven't played it so its all just speculation at this point. if you pre order they will let you play in some beta weekends so that sounds like fun. pre order starts on April 10th no idea when they might lets people in on a weekend.
Except it eventually ends up being to some degree a repeat. Further I do not want to have to quest at all any type of quest regardless of if what my quest was changes something and was not what someone else did. I want to run thru the are and only kill shit if i want to without ever having to get quest xp was what I was getting at. Also it seems to be very very geared toward not ever needing to have a group to do much of stuff. But as Trem said not too much of the endgame is known.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syana
Why does questing bother you so much?
Shame they didn't keep them gone. I'm glad they are at least thinking about being different, although it wasn't a radical idea at all in the pre-WoW era. (see SWG for example)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maegwin
Well even that MMO champion poster said it himself. Also a linear character level progression to a strict level cap means more people will reach that cap, and sooner. The fact that they want to temporarily artificially bring people to the level cap instead of having players earn their power suggests that the 'real' game is at that level cap, and that not being at that cap is unacceptable. I completely understand the desire to not allow lower level players to be slaughtered, but lower level players should have their own content to do and have to earn their way to the big leagues. That lower level content should be just as fun, however. There should be content and rewards that make higher level players who skip them feel stupid for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maegwin
I really hate how WoW makes every mob 5+ levels above the player unkillable. Hell, EQ does this too with spell resists. Why not just let lower level players hit higher level mobs without issue? Then they can group up with their high level friends and make a small contribution. EQ also had a means to allow your new friends to catch up to you in the form of power leveling. Some form of mentoring to speed up advancement is definitely something I would implement, however I don't like this magical 'you are now level 80 just for being here!' crap, even if it solves a valid problem. Another thing I would do is reward players intelligently in that if a bunch of lower level players ganged up on a high level one and killed him, then they would be awarded an amount appropriate to the challenge. Not accurately quantifying the challenge of things and failing to reward players appropriately is in fact a huge problem with games IMO.
I also very much dislike that reaching the level cap is not challenging at all, and is just a time sink. Reaching the level cap (if there even is one) should be as difficult as getting the best gear; and the scrubs should not be as powerful as the most skilled and dedicated players.
Pre-purchasing mine this week sometime. :)
Not that it bothers me so much. Ok it does bother me but not just because i hate it. It bothers me so much because they have thrown out any other viable way, made all classes excel at solo play etc. What is wrong at having classes that solo better and classes that group better? But back to the main reason I come off as hating quests the most. IT is that they do not allow any other way to be worthwhile. Telling me I can kill for exp if I want but its not going to be really viable unless your bored or perhaps rested and even then not so much so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allara
Did you play Final Fantasy 11? That was the opposite of questing for exp. You had to party up with 4 other people and then travel to the killzone and chainpull monsters for progress to happen. Yes they had quests you could do, they didn't give you that much of a reward and typically took a group to go do.
I was still playing EQ1 over FF11 at the time. Though I played FF11 did not like it really. But that's more to do with the fact that I like FF as a console game/single player rpg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ophylaela
I played FF11 for about a year and stopped when WoW came out pretty much. This was my first MMO experience. I had friends that played Everquest and I watched them some, but never got in to it. So in FF11 after the teen levels you were pretty much forced to group to do anything. I remember thinking that I wished I could do more solo stuff, but figured that's just how MMO's were. The group grinding/leveling dynamic was actually pretty good in FF11. There were a lot of good group synergy type abilities where you had to position yourself just right to get off combo attacks. I remember enjoying that a lot. It relied heavily on the macro system in that game, which I actually liked (never really liked the macro system in WoW). And if you had a good group and were quick about killing monsters and keeping them coming you would get good XP bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ophylaela
The downside of this is that there were "leveling spots" for each level range, and EVERYONE was there in those spots, so you were competing for mobs most of the time. The leveling pace was also very slow. I played the game pretty regularly for a year and I think I only hit the high 40's in my primary job. It was really the forced group leveling in crowded areas that did the game in for me.
I had higher hopes for FF14 when it came out. But it was just a mess, the interface was worse than FF11!
I have high hopes for GW2 bringing back some of that group synergy type gameplay (i.e. mage casts flame wall then archer arrows through the wall gain fire attack). From what I have seen so far in the previews it looks like it will!
One big thing torrid had mentioned that I think needs to come back, and not in some complicated system either. In EQ1 I liked how originally though obviously "better' you did not NEED to be 50 to raid in the plane or naggy/vox. You could be 45-49 and contribute and the closer you got to 50 you did a bit better in your contribution. Being 49 at the time had you nearly doing what a 50 would etc. This format did at least carry on for quite a bit, and I loved it.
However at the same time I do not want it to be for instance where I would be 50 and there is a system that lets my friend/s who just started join in on my higher endgame lvl raids. there should be other entertaining,engaging,fun shit for them to do till a certain point then allow them to contribute to the raids/highend shit at a certain point in their OWN lvl while not equal to the max lvl gradually increasing the contribution the closer they get.
A game that is not soloable by every single class/profession/skill/*insert whatever name for a class type here* imo is not always a good thing. Why not have classes who excel at solo and arnt super group friendly from a exp grouping point of view but still viable in raid setting? Actually having people consider things like that into their class decision. I get the side of "let them pick whatever they do not have to worry if its a good solo capable class", but I do not agree with it. Again I say what is wrong with someone having a class that solo's that much better then another but not being their equal in groups. Oddly enough we have the opposite now all can solo great and in cases those who are the MORE group friendly class solo better at times (not all times but i find majority of them). Further also being the opposite is since they all solo well the class that may of been in fact the "better" solo class is not that great in a group. Yes they can all function in a group and in a lot of these games it almost does not matter for random grouping. However it would be nice having that uniqueness of a class and advantages/disadvantages.
Anyway just something I was thinking about.
I want to play WITH my friends. Not in the same game as them, but in zones/worlds apart because they aren't the right level to play together yet. MMOs are social games, and I want to be social yes, but even moreso with my friends. I can't do that if the game system prevents me from doing it just because we started characters at different times.
or different servers, you can move to another server and play there with them too, you just cant world vs world and comp pvp with them i think.
Nothing is stopping you from rerolling a new character to play with them. I did this a lot with Coral as our playtimes are very dissimilar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maegwin
I'd be the first guy to say that modern MMOGs are too anti-social/single player nowadays, but MMOGs are also about prestige and social status. This is another example of removing an important aspect of the game to fix an unrelated problem. However EQ was much more lax in this regard, unless you were a wizard. On P99 red, we had an underleveled cleric most of the time. A level 35 can get exp with a level 50 in classic. We just powerleveled him to keep him within group exp range.