Good post, Peotr. Have you thought to collect all your posts to make a book called "Random thoughts from a Normal guy"?
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Good post, Peotr. Have you thought to collect all your posts to make a book called "Random thoughts from a Normal guy"?
If he released that some people from the psycho ward would come to take him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakeku
OMG I LOVE YOU PEOTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
This is no different than someone being fired by their catholic boss for eating meat on a Friday during lent. That firing would not fly with a 200 mph tailwind, neither should this one.
Peotr,
I get the idea from your post that you think you are "right" in your opinion of this. Which is the reason you went on in such detail to prove your "rightness" to the rest of us.
Unfortunatly, the issue here is about eating... Something that most of us do daily. We have no choice in this matter.
Its not about religion, or whos right or who is wrong its about the basic necessity for survival. If the lady wants to eat pork, she has the right to do so. Something you can't control.
There could be many reasons why she eats pork... Telling people what they can and cannot eat, because of a religious belief is wrong. Instead of eating the pork sandwich or whatever when they told me to stop. Would have given me the overwhelming temptation to stick the sandwich up their muslim asses. Seriously, think if this happend to YOU personally. You can't tell me you wouldnt be pissed.
Consider this though. From my viewpoint.. religion is worthless. I despise it. SPECIALLY one that creates such retarded rules and presses them on you to the point of fighting.
Thank you for demonstrating my point PERFECTLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rika
-- Peotr (The Normal Guy) ©™
P.S. Rikachu, I lub j00! Please don't think I hate.
Edit: changed the word 'proving' to 'demonstrating', as my point isn't really 'proven'
There is a lot of basic common sense that a lot of people simply don't have. And our laws help protect people from the extremes, even if they themselves, lack some common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peotr
Problem is that with that freedom people take their views to the extreme (one way or the other) and you end up with a company that will only hire someone that molests 12-year old boys and they will feel the right to defend their decision to the bitter end. Will deny a women the right to hold higher office in the company but yet hire a gay man.
Or say that it is prefectly in their right to enslave a race of people in the name of religious/national belief....it may or may not affect you at all, but unless you do research on the company(ies) you deal with you may not know right away.
(Cheap shot incoming)
Or invade a country calling it a "crusade" like a certain yankee President did recently.
He is actually a southerner, not a yankee. Although it reduces the odds, he is still a numb nut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forty
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Thank you for demonstrating my point PERFECTLY.
And thank you for once again demonstrating mine.
Oh and something to consider... A couple of times you briefly mention things that one could link you to being a christian. So a religios person in effect. I on the other hand mention the opposite. Perhaps that plays an factor of sorts on our perspective.
By the way. I don't eat pork or red meat unless im forced to eat away from home for an period of time. But I don't wanna get into dietary matters. I could be considered an extremist when it comes to that.
ps
Peotr i dont lub.. i hate..
but thats just in general.
not anyone personally.
and certainly not a christian.
or people that smell bad on the subway.
white girls.
or someone that eats fast food.
dogs that jump on you.
or everquest junkies.
sprained ankles.
or lazy people.
bullys.
mosquitos.
snagged toenails.
people that bumb change from you in chicago.
or tired stoned people that ramble and need to go to sleep.
Nope he's from Connecticut which means he's most certainly a Yankee, not a Southerner. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kattoo Tacit
Rika, the issue has nothing to do with religion... it has to do with respecting other people's views/feelings. If I owned a company and I asked employees not to wear perfume because it makes me sneeze and one employee decided that her right to wear perfume outweighed my right to be sneeze free, I'd fire her. Because she demonstrated that she has no respect for me. Or if I were allergic to peanuts and an employee insisted upon eating peanut butter in the breakroom without cleaning up, again I'd fire the person for failing to take into account that their actions impact others.
Being religious or anti-religious has nothing to do with the issue which was that the woman obviously had no respect for her employers or their wishes. She could have discussed the policy, she could have taken lunch off-site, she could have done several things but instead she chose to ignore the policy and then sue when she was fired for doing so. Ignoring a company policy, no matter how stupid it may be is grounds for dismissal at any organization.
P.S. I lub lub lub!
Yeah, the whole Texan thing is bullshit. He's every bit as much of a NE establishment yuppy as John Kerry, they went to the same schools etc. It's just part of his image to be the "everyman" southerner with the texan twang. I mean seriously, listen to George HW talk and tell me the family is "southern."
The company also didn't show her any respect in allowing her to eat whatever she wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinilaa
And seeing that it was not a written policy, one in the company handbook, they really have no grounds whatsoever. Verbal policies amount to hearsay and are typically ones that you shouldn't get fired over. If it had been in the company handbook as company policy and she signed it, then yes, she may be fired for violating company policy. (Your state/country may vary)
Owning a company does not give you a blank check to make up whatever rules or policies you want.
This I would agree with. If they felt that strongly about it, it should have been a written policy that was discussed prior to hiring the woman and accomodations should have been made so that both parties would be satisfied with the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forty
However, they didn't say she "couldn't eat pork" they simply said she couldn't eat pork on the premises. There's a difference. She could have eaten lunch off-site and had no problem whatsoever.
Just to toss another log on the fire in the pork eating lady debate........how much of this story have we really heard? It's entirely possible that she was a terrible employee and was fired for a whole slew of different reasons and like so many people she felt she was treated "unfairly" and went right to the media screaming about being axed because she made a sandwich.
In the world at large we have a very significant number of faults......and I'm going by the law of averages here.....some are worse than others.
1 - We rarely like to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions.....it's always someone elses fault
2 - Once we've decided on just who's "fault" it is we think we have every right to make them pay for it.....through the nose if possible. The sheer, mind boggling number of assinine lawsuits going on at any given time in our country is ridiculous.
3 - We are incredibly quick to decide who is right and/or wrong about anything and everything, whether we are actively involved or not, without ever stopping to consider if we have all of the information needed to even form an educated opinion with. We watch 8 minutes of the 6 o'clock news and we know everything that's wrong with all those other people in the world. Unfortunately for us the politicians know this about us.....hence the moronic campaign propoganda they throw out like slop for the pigs. Oddly enough,and somewhat related to this.......it makes me just a tiny bit, respect George W. just because he's taking a stand on being against the gay marriage issue. I completely disagree with him but I do support his right to have that opinion and at least he's saying what he believes instead of being safe and uncontroversial.
We have a lot more problems than this.....someday maybe I'll write a book. Of course it wouldn't sell nearly as well as Peotr's :D
andaas sent me a pm telling me that if i continue to talk about pork on his message boards, i will be banned.
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Originally Posted by Rika
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Rika, the issue has nothing to do with religion... it has to do with respecting other people's views/feelings.
Nothing to do with religion? It has everything to do with religion. If not for religion I don't think anyone would care what you eat. Name some other reasons that would lead into getting fired or a debate about eating a ham sandwich.
I just see this as secular vs non-secular argument. And as for respecting other feelings and views. The whole argument is a wash from the begining. So just gonna have to go by laws. Fortunatly, companies in US have rules to follow.
Bush Sr Moved to Midland, TX after graduating from Yale, and made his money in oil, Bush Jr where ever he was born, was raised in Midland, TX and was sent to Yale also, tho his oil business did not gain the success his fathers business did. I'd wager Bush Jr went cow tipping at least once, and he was probably made fun of in high school because he was a cheer-leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eomer
This is not a health issue, the reasons you listed are. Just because an employer wishes for you to not eat a certain food does not mean they can fire you if you do. There are laws governing reasons for which you can and cannot be fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinilaa
She was fired by her muslim boss because she ate pork. The law protects her right NOT to be fired because of that. He clearly fired her based on a religious reason. That is a discriminatory practice.Quote:
Under Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including:
-hiring and firing;
-compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
-transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
-job advertisements;
-recruitment;
-testing;
-use of company facilities;
-training and apprenticeship programs;
-fringe benefits;
-pay, retirement plans, and disability leave; or
-other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
-harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, or age;
-retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
-employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and
-denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group.