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rofl Vidle...Im laughing my ass off :D
Cliques... haha. Those are what you call friends buddy, they like to hang out and do stuff together. Cliques.... hahaha.... I still talk to my whole "clique"Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidmer
Exploited Yelinak. Woopy, best thing I've ever done in EverQuest. I loved it. Don't be jealous you didn't think of it first. Along with Sachiiel, Famor, Orrlaar, Felh, and Shindar. Don't you hate us all? Awwww... if it was so horrible why didn't we all get booted?
Nice try, Hoss was nothing on Druzzil Ro until a bunch of Seekers joined. Hoss was going no where. They didn't even want to kill Trakanon, so if you're talking about on another server I don't care. Hoss was not uber on Druzzil Ro until after Andaas and I joined.
Oh you're in Hoss too now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepie
I'll let Shindar know!
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Originally Posted by Andriana Duskrose
OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T MEAN ANDAAS... I bet you Andaas is only doing it because the guild wants to do it, DUH.
Andaas has never had a problem with me having access from what I know, in fact I've talked to him a few times in IM's even. I don't think he *personally* ives a shit.
I fear for the drama gnome. :(
The only problem I have with it, is people post things about their life, funny links, computer information, info about new video games, things that have NOTHING to do with EVERQUEST AND HOSS in relation. It is just that some Hoss and ex-Hoss members prefer to post in private forums with that information. Yet they do not get reprimanded for posting that there, even though it has nothing to do with the current state of Hoss as a guild in Everquest, nothing to do with today's raid.
People are mad, and are going to be mad, because they were told they would have access to these forums even after they sold. All of a sudden a year after you were promised you'd still have access it disappears, expect people to get mad. You have a right to disagree, but you have to let some people vent.
Some of you people dont even know why some people sold their accounts. What if you couldn't quit the game, and it was ruining your life? If you cancelled your account, you'd just resubscribe. Delete your character, petition for it back. Give it away to a friend (which I tried to do, all said no), you'd eventually ask for it back. If you sold, not to use Hoss, I was on nearly everyday for 2 years in Hoss, but so you wouldnt be able to play again, is it such a crime? To some of you, yes. Fixing your life, and not playing a video game is such a crime. It should piss some people off when people talk about things they know nothing about.
If anyone feels used by what I did, I have this to say. Either you weren't in the guild when I quit (which means you never helped me and I never helped you), you shouldn't feel used, nothing I did reflected you at all, except maybe helping to pave the way for Hoss to the point where you joined. If you were in the guild, know that I rarely did quests (I think 1, and I did it with my friends). But I helped a shitload of people and their twinks for quests, keys, flags, etc. when they weren't able to do it by themselves, with nothing wanted in return. I also supplied many people who came back from retirement with gear, with nothing in return, I didn't even ask for it back when they were done. I was there to help and have fun, not use you. Get a grip and get some perspective.
You are counterproductive on most attempts at arguing with the people who feel robbed. It just shows how stubborn some of you are. Do you feel intimidated by me? Do I bother you? I sure hope not, and if I do, you have other problems than me having private access.
I just have to say that a retired Hoss / ebayed Hoss forum, would be stupid, unless people were told to post all non-present day-eq related things in that forum. I just don't see that happening. It'd also be more productive to reprimand people who post non-related stuff in the private forums, as in my computer doesnt work and other things. I'm not making demands, its just a suggestion.
If I bought back my account, would I have access? Would it make a difference? Would anything be changed, except me wasting money? I really don't think so. This argument is somewhat relevant, too, as there have been multiple people who have been Hoss, sold their accounts, and bought them back and rejoined Hoss, and have gone inactive again, and still have access.
Reply how you wish, its just my opinion, but take cheap shots on me, when I'm not doing such to you, and your opinion means nothing.
Finally, with this happening, I don't feel welcome anymore.
LOL he's known for a while actually but feel free to say hi to Matt :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakky
The decision was in the best interest of Hoss as an active EverQuest guild. It discourages ebaying by delivering a drawback and will over time prove to strengthen the guild. Those who have ebayed do not have to deal with how the guild is doing or about the problems faced today. I preferr logic and fairness to prejudice and favoritism. Even more then that, I preferr the preservation and continued supreamacy of Hoss over catering to those who are gone.
i find it humorous how argonah instanly clicks with drakky
I can see your point. However I was told that my only way back into Hoss was by re-obtaining my toon and that there would have been no issue, retagging and board access. However that isn't/wasn't an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dharrk
It wouldn't be wasting money if you re-purchased your investment and wanted to get back into things.
(If anyone re-purchased, I am sure a stink would arise somewhere about retagging. Politics are everywhere.)
My understanding after explained to me is this; if you do not currently own the toon then you lose the access and can not rejoin Hoss with any other toon period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dharrk
If you curently own your toon then being inactive is irrelevant to the current topic and you would still have access.
Someone that knows the rules correct me if I am wrong..
All some of us are saying is that these drawbacks did not exist when our decisions were made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kattoo Tacit
Reminds me of whatever the thing is called where "you can't be convicted of a crime if when you commited the crime it wasn't against the law." Issue a "from now on" law, its just as effective. As it applys to everyone currently playing. Those before this new law weren't informed, the ones who do it now are. Its not playing favorites, its playing fair.
All I am doing is offering my plea. I am not "dissing" anyone or making demands.
I'm sure all of you current players would be upset, if you had to quit, and Andaas had personally told you that you would be able to keep access, and then he takes it away. I have no beef with Andaas, I just have a beef with what has happened, and logically so.
I am not involved in current Hoss issues, nor am I asking to be. I told you why I wanted access.
I just hope you guys tell the next person who decides to retire that "they are always Hoss, unless they sell their account." No one told me that, and I never thought it would be so.
And I am looking out for Hoss, I was suggesting that maybe non EQ related things be posted elsewhere than the private forum, it wouldn't distract anyone from the goal of Hoss succeeding in EQ.
If you expect any of us people who lost access not to be upset, that promises were broken that rules were newly made that including people that never knew those rules would be created, then you my friends, aren't even worth my time. Whether you have a case or not, you can empathize a bit.
This discussion is pointless. I can't believe how some of you are acting over a fucking video game.
dharrk you know your after all the leet secrets we talk about in there! :p :p
Well, shit. There goes my argument. Last time I tell you a secret!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Widespreadd Panic
Anyways.
I still cry ex post facto.
Not to mention, if anyone wants to ebay, I doubt losing messageboard access will stop them. Messageboard access will never make or break a guild. You'd be crazy to think so. Nothing can stop it. Calm down.
Not to mention I still see people who sold their accounts show up with a red font. (aka Guild Member color)
Call that one fair?
Personally, arguing over something like a video game was always the funniest thing to me. I did it, even though I knew I shouldn't. However, banning ebayed members from the private forums is nothing really dramatic. The private forum doesn't exactly contain that many secrets. Plus, there's this general forum that could take a lot more use. Saying you wouldn't wear a Hoss guildtag in any other game is silly, what if all your good friends decided to? Just get over it, this game is in your past, no need to dreg up ill feelings toward former guildmates. Move on. We are, afterall, at the end of EQ's life for most, and with EQ2 and WoW in the future, we should perhaps look forward to meeting up again in these new worlds, while cherishing the memories we have from this one.
If you quit, then ebayed.. why would you still want access to something you wanted to get away from anyways? (not including friends etc, but EQ itself) Nothing in the private forums concerns you or your opinions anymore. You stepped away from the game. I don't see why people are fussing about it.
Oh and for the people who needed the cash, yeah ok..still shouldn't be upset. Hoss doesn't concern you anymore.
Please let me know who, I can fix that pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dharrk
I certainly can't remember or know of every person who quit and then sold their character months later. And also please try to remember, that people who sold or gave their characters to someone else in the guild are still granted access.
Reading a board is a lot different from playing a game. I do it sparingly in free time and don't feel compelled to read. No addiction there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
Please start reading the posts, not assuming their content. I dont care about the game anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
Easy to not see what people are fussing about when you haven't been offended. I care about being told one thing and then another happening, you'd do the same if it happened to you. Look up ex post facto. I only wanted access to that forum for its NON EQ stuff. Funny eh, how the private forum has non-EQ related stuff on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailie
Take any stance you want on it, its your opinion, but don't be so close minded, we already explained why we wanted access.
Plain and simple, some people are offended. What do you do when you get offended? Do you sit there and take it? I don't.
I want access back, but its what I want. I'm not going to ask for it. My opinion means nothing. I can accept that. But I won't stop defending the fact I think its wrong. Even if it solves nothing. Because I'm stubborn and I've been offended.
I really don't feel like naming names. Upon further thinking, I wouldn't want to mess up anyone elses access as I feel it was wrong for it to happen to myself. Spending any time helping a cause I'm against is counterproductive. Just letting Hoss know that their job isn't complete. But then again, "Hoss doesn't concern me anymore." So I'll just mind my own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andaas
To some of you:
It's funny how so many Hoss members get offended by jokes or stupid things, but when someone else gets offended they are like "omg why are you even bothering, you're opinion is so stupid." You ask for respect and then not give it back. I don't care if I sold my account that I put two years of Hoss into or not. You are no better than me.
I'd like one of you paladins to look into what we are saying, and serious about it. Not focus on you feel that people who quit will sway people into quitting. Ever think that a goodbye post does just as much as a goodbye + I'm selling post. Its the quitting part, not the ebaying part. That's an after thought. It'd be more effective just not allowing people to post goodbye posts. Delete them on site. Just let them appear MIA, would be more effective.
Not to mention EQ is winding to an end and WoW, CoH, etc. are getting people off EQ. Why don't you ban WoW or CoH posts in the private forums.
Anyone care to debate that point? Let's be friendly. I'm just trying to help, I'd love your inputs on my thoughts. If need be, AIM, PM, or ICQ me. Although, I'd prefer here.
*EDIT*
Also curious, what is the difference between deleting all your characters, cancelling your account to an unrecoverable point, and selling them? Both of them get rid of permanently (after a period of time) coming back to Hoss. The cases have the same result, but one sends you to hell? Doesn't make sense.
Personally, i dont give 2 shits either way. If any area from these boards i would care about one way or the other is the Recruiting where we talk about the new recruits and such, id prefer yall not have acess to that, as we seem to have problems with leaks with or with out you, it would only lessen w/out you so thats the only reason id be for that. All you bitching should at least remember me, and personally i dont care one way or the other about the whole ordeal.
I'm fine with that completely, only want the regular private one. nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnemWizfyre
And here we are back to the original issue as to why a single line was drawn about what situation would cause someone to lose access...
What should mark the point at which someone loses access for ebaying and does not?
Do you factor the amount of time they were guilded? The number of raids they attended? The amount of time the have been sold? How do you compare someone with only 1 year of active time, but nearly perfect attendance in that time vs. someone with 3 years of active time but they attended less raids than the 1 year player?
There are so many variables, it is not as simple as black and white. What I chose to do was create a basic factor to divide along.
Removing access from an ebayed person is not something new - we have done it, albeit inconsistently, since I have been hosting the forums. I consider many of the people I removed access from as people I like and do not want to lose contact with. I have also said that perhaps the addition of a veterans or retired lounge is probably a good idea and would possibly suit us here.
/boggleQuote:
Originally Posted by Andaas
What difference does this make? Either way, you still stopped playing and Hoss doesn't concern you because you are inactive from the guild.
It makes a difference because people here are feeling rather territorial. Maybe like they've done us a favor by allowing us to join them and the work we put into making a lvl 65 character with a bajillion AA pales in comparison to the 16 pieces of loot we received.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canare1
I think they may also be jealous that we've managed to break the addiction and can enjoy the social aspect again instead of being constantly oppressed with the RAID RAID RAID mentality.
I really did enjoy my time with Hoss, and if any of you think I joined just to beef Thanapur up for market, you are seriously mistaken. Perhaps some people have come through your ranks with that intent, but with the EXTENDED trial period, if you can't identify them before guilding, you only have yourself to blame.
Honestly, I think you should read Burnem's post again, Thanapur. The thread internally has like a page and a half of posts, most by the same guys. There is probably some irrational territoriality in a few of those, and there is just as much, actually far more, territoriality out here in this thread. I can't speak for any PM's Andaas is getting, of course, but there is no public upswell of "all the new guys" (read: twirp) to give you grief for beating your addiction while we have not.
Andaas decided to draw a line for people who had left the guild via the PA/ebay route. Maybe by not currently playing, you guys aren't seeing how it has currently affected the guild mentality about it. A game is a game, if you're going to bail for financial or medical or whatever reasons, RL > EQ anyday of the week. But in the past month or so, high playtime, decked DECKED characters have been PA'd...some with notice of intent, and some with really blunt "goodbye and fuck you all" posts.
The game may be dying or dead for you, but there is still a guild operating for 70 or so of us poor guys who haven't beaten the addiction. The day to day operations were seriously impaired. Hell, they ARE seriously impaired. And as we watch wave after wave of guys who leave the game, and mill around for 2 hrs a night because some key classes who were very well geared are now no longer with us because they sold externally, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth for people that ebay and leave their friends in the lurch.
As far as I'm concerned, I've earned my gear. As did anyone who ebayed. Or anyone who retired. Or anyone who is down to maybe a day a week. However, for as much right as I have to Gheltire, I do still owe the opportunity I had for my gear to Hoss, L`Malla, and Seekers. If I were to sell tomorrow (yeah yeah I'm a ranger I know that's like a buck fifty and a ham sandwich) because I was "done", leave the guys in a lurch, make them recruit and backflag and gear - when they could be progressing, and then come back a few weeks later to say "hi, see you in WoW", I wouldn't expect the best of receptions, no matter how friendly I am with these members.
My take on "once Hoss always Hoss" applies to anyone who is/was or will be Hoss deserves my respect. Some people have profitted from that affiliation, some haven't (financially). Regardless of reason, others have dropped their tag and moved on. Now just from the response I have seen from two of the "moved on" guys, who paint all current members with a pretty angry brush, you are not following the "once Hoss always Hoss" tenet either, just as you accuse some here of failing to do.
So regardless of my feelings that it really doesn't matter a hill of beans, and that this is getting way overblown, I'll stick by the guild decision, and defend it. I know it doesn't apply to the after the fact enforcement on guys who I especially like to see around (hiya Dharkk), but that part of the process isn't up to me. The selling of characters externally from the top end guild on Dro has to be curtailed, and if this is an attempt to do so, I'm for it. /rewind doesn't apply to doing guild raids week after week to regear the same classes (not players) we get to do that manually:P
Anyways, while I think Nallick could use with a chill pill, I think the insulting responses haven't put the whole topic in much good light either.
Show me where in this thread that I need a chill pill?!
Its actually funny that I saw Thanas post here and made a post in the private forums trying to get an answer to her question. I was surprised that she lost access. After I found out that Andaas decided to inforce the long time rule of banning ebayers I supported it.
Derasi First mentions me in this thread saying "blame nallick". I post WTF I had nothing to do with this but I support Andaas decision. Derasi post you were scape goat.
Thana proceeds to joke about an incident where I could have died and was probably the most tramatic thing that has ever happened to me.
I asked Thana why she is always a bitch to me and said fuck off.
I laugh at Vidmer's post. Thats it.
I know, but I needed a villain to make fun of for some levity:P
If you don't post here or have interest here, then why is it of such concern to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakky
BTW.. your comparison to this and murder was even beyond your normal overreaction.
Nobody is devaluing your contributions to what Hoss is Drakky. You simply did something when you left EQ that the majority of the people in this guild do not approve of, in selling your character. Like it or not, you don't get to make the decisions based solely on your opinion, and Andaas has not done this based solely on his opinion. The general consensus of the guild, as a whole, is selling your account means you're no longer a part of the guild.
Get over it and move on. I thought you had done that already.
Wow so many points I could respond too... Really its all pointless, It's obvious to see what this Guild has become.
D R A M A..... It's all good..
rhedd is alwasy a man of good words~ and well a tight ass too~
I agree with Andaas. There's a lot more here than just cut and dry you have Private access or you don't, but the bottom line really is he is saying he doesn't want or can't be judge and jury over every individual person who joined Hoss and then Ebayed. Don't blame him, blame the couple who used us to beef up and get a good price. But I dare anyone to try to be the one to sort out who is who.
It's not a matter of not being allowed into the board anyway. If/when I'm gone, I don't mind being able to /wave at friends in the general forum. I don't need the private forum to do that, and if I'm not playing, why would I need any more involvement in the guild aspect vs. the "friend" aspect of Hoss anyway? I doubt the only place you can find your friends is in the private Hoss forums.
Dharrk you are really nice and stuff but I just think that people should respect what's happening. It might not be the best thing in the world and it might make you feel shitty, but we can't change it now. Coming here and being upset isn't going to change anything. You have already expressed how upset you are and I respect that. But you have to realize it was a choice that was made.
Over the years many old members have posted topics or chatted in the private forums. Most of them don't get involved in EQ related stuff. They just come to talk about various topics with old friends be it politics, movies art or life in general. Yes they could talk about those things in the general section and many of them do, having the luxury of privacy can be nice sometimes however as you know often there is subjects that don't need public viewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemmi
/Ponders if the other non-ebayed retired folks will be next?
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/Ponders if the other non-ebayed retired folks will be next?[/QUOTE]
Probably Zarxen! Aparently Hoss isn't about talking with old friends. Its about working thru broken content to get phat loots for a pixelated character so Sony President can buy that new corvette!
Unity? Friendship? You want that go join Flower Power!
yea zar they you arent evil! nallick has spoken!
and wow at some of the names that have been logging in to read the boards~
Well, I was kinda bugged that I lost access to the private forums after a year of having access. I respect the decision of Andaas though. I liked being able to keep up with what was going on inside of Hoss and keeping up with personal lives of people in Hoss. I sold my account out of necessity and have regretted the days since then, but had to do what I had to. I guess something like this just makes people feel like the friends they had in Hoss weren't really friends who had to accept you even when you didn't agree with them, but were just using you as another body they needed to get what they needed. I was hoping that when WoW or another game that Hoss decided to join I would be a part of Hoss, but this seems to basically tell me I am not wanted in Hoss at all <shrug> sad, but I will live. Good luck to you all in Hoss.
Aradil
I'd like to thank everyone involved for 10 minutes of amusement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
Hi Coral!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coral
Are you comin back? We need someone to point out when people fuck up!