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I cant in good couninces (I suck at spelling....) vote for either of them. Both of them are idiots, both of them will ruin the country. I wanted Dean ; ;.
If I was to vote id probably vote bush but... thats just because there is somthing about Kerry I really really really dont like, I dont know what it is though.
I'm sure he knows the truth as well...but he decided to attack Iraq anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilrith
Maybe the CIA, The US weapon inspectors, the UN weapon inspects, countless number of countries, had it wrong? Naw...I think Bush and the gang new exactly what they were doing. And it had nothing to do with saving the US, Iraq or the world from the untold horrors of SH or terrorism.
/duck
I really wanted to see Dean after his speech that got him burned. I liked him before, but I really like how fired up he got during that fateful speech. I think we need someone "real" in office, not just a suit, Mr. prim & proper crap. Dean had heart from what I personally saw, I would have voted for him.
I don't fall under ass or ele, but I will vote with my gut feeling as well. My gut feeling atm is that Kerry will either leave our troops hanging in Iraq, or leave the Iraqies hanging...we already left those people hanging the first gulf war, I honestly hope we don't do it again.
Well i'm one of the guardsman/reservist that was activated for the war and was over there a few weeks prior, during and a few weeks post iraqi freedom. Thankfully i'm in the air national guard so my services weren't require after the war. So yea i know some people that have been over there and put in harms way. Not to many of us are upset about it either. My whole unit volenteered. Husien needed to be taken out of power. When around 1 % of the population in iraq holds all the wealth and the rest is poverty stricken fighting to survive, and the country leader offers 20,000 dollars to families of someone willing to be a suicide bomber that just strikes me as sick and twisted. He was just pushing and tuanting us to come after him he didn't think we had the balls, and we did.
And seriously lilrith touched on something very important that if we vote bush out were going to be show the world we have no backbone and just open us up to further attacks.
But anyways i'de like to see us pull out of there and just cut our losses. It made me sick when i was over there helping to save a people that didn't want to be saved. When they hated us for butting in. They would rather live with tyrany. Was a shock and made me ask why do we bother. I'de rather us go back into a self sufficient nation again and not trying to have our hands in things. Just take all that welfare and help we've been passing out throughout the world and invest it back in our country and let the other countries realize how good of a thing they had. All our welfare has just gotten us hated by more and more people. Some people will say were arogant americans, I treat everyone with respect especially strangers don't ask me why but i do, some don't but every country has it's assholes. No the real reason they don't like is cause we give them advice and tell them where to spend the money were giving them. I've learned no one likes to be told what to do just look at our guild or any guild. People think they to good for advice 90% of the time even when it's constructive and put in a non threating way. I'm under the view though if your taking handouts from someone you should kiss there ass cause they don't have to help you out. That's my take on foriegn policy my two cents worthless as they are.
I think kerry is bad news. I'm a vetran and for the pure fact that vetrans held a rally against him in washington really strikes a cord. Can you think of a better informed group of people then vetrans that have fought for this country ? Theyve invested themselves in this country and are sure as hell going to vote for what's best for the country and stay up to date on the goings on in the world and the candidates. The military pretty much shuns kerry. He's made a moquery of our system , lieing and making up reports to get medals to make him look good and get him the job he has today. If you were a bussiness owner and someone gave you a false resume what would you do with that person. Anyways I too wish we had a couple stronger candidates that stood for ideals and integrity that we want this country to stand for. Those kind of people are eaten up and weeded out way too early in our countries politics:(
My wife is a vet, and she's pro-Kerry.
Just because someone should be taken out of office/leadership doesn't mean you go bustin down the door. There are certain international laws that say that's not a nice thing to do. Yeah, we should have done it right the first time, but that doesn't mean you basically lie to the world and make shit up just to provide yourself with an excuse to go again 'cause that's not nice either.
On the contrary it might just open up several problems on many levels( not just attacks on your soil)Quote:
And seriously lilrith touched on something very important that if we vote bush out were going to be show the world we have no backbone and just open us up to further attacks.
Well I liked Dean as well, but since some here have aleady brought up bush's wife vs kerry's wife, I'm sure that gulf would have widened if Dean had've won the nomination.
Dean's wife is a doctor, a doctor who chose to stay at her practice and help her patients and take care of her kids who were in school during the nomination run. She elft it towards the very end because a lot of people were slamming her in the press because she wasn't at her husbands side while he ran for the nomination.
I'll repeat that.... there were people that were pissed that a doctor didn't choose to leave her patients and her children to help her husband win an election.
She made the choice to help people she made a commitment to and got slammed for it and in the whole process made her husband look bad in people's eyes because they felt she should be by his side.
And as for this whole "the world will see us as weak if we vote Bush out" nonsense: the world is not full of idiots. They know it is an election, and they know there are more than just one or 2 issues that will decide who wins. IF Bush loses it will not point to American weakness. The country changes leaders every 4 years (roughly) and the rest of us know that.
To give you an example... IF Bush were to win and the world gets all nasty over the next couple years, would it make America appear weak if he doesn't win the election after this one (the election he can't even win due to term restrictions)? If the world is still in the same situation it is now would Bush have to remain president until he dies to prevent the country from appearing weak?
That is the lame argument, the grasping at straws attempt to frighten the weak into voting him in strategy. "OH MY GOD... if we don't elect Bush Americans will be the world's kicking boy and we will be terrorized by all the bullies on the block". BULLSHIT. Regardless of who leads the country, the rest of the world is scared by America. You have a nuclear arsenal and a deadly military. The problem is, the current leader feels it necessary to pull his dick out and wave it in the rest of the world's face... "See... see how big our dicks are... we run the world... stop pissing us off and do what we say or we'll invade your country... what, we have no proof of your activities.... so what, we'll just make something up that we know is a lie and invade you anyways.... hahahahahahahahahaha"
At least with Kerry there is a chance at America being part of the rest of the world and not it's classroom bully.
If anything, voting Bush out shows the power of democracy and how it empowers the people to remove leaders they find unfavorable.
Also, I really hate how people exclaim how so and so voted nay for this bill or that bill. This is completely misleading, as bills are almost never about just one issue. It is common practice to tack on unfavorable clauses into popular bills to sneak them by.
Funny you should mention this. Coincidentally, the number one issue I have with humanity is the fact that hundreds of millions of HUMAN BEINGS are starving to death right now, and there are how many billionaires? Yeah, and which country has control of the most wealth again? Oh, right. And before you claim we don't owe our wealth to the poorer nations, stop and look for the "made in X" tags on the shit you buy and have a chat with Kathy Lee first.Quote:
When around 1 % of the population in iraq holds all the wealth and the rest is poverty stricken fighting to survive
Cute. I recommend doing some research on how other historical retards were portrayed by their propaganda machines before the populace realized how awful they were. Hitler's a great example of this...he looked *great* on paper. Got his country out of a huge recession, lowered unemployment, you name it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacais
I think South Park said it best this week. This election's between a giant douche and a shit sandwich, and we'll have to vote for one or the other. I'm choosing the giant douche (Kerry). :(
With voter turn out at a all time low, im being even more of a american by not voting.
Kerry or Bush, it probably won't make too much of a difference. I just hope nobody will forget who the real enemy is.
gnomes?
And who might that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphina
I tried that once man, it didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lydia
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Originally Posted by Lydia
Save the Shire on November 2nd!
The French! /half kiddingQuote:
And who might that be?
As for the real answer, read "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington.
The enemy, as ever, is the general overall ignorance of humanity. It's unfortunate that pretty much ever since there were people in the world smart enough to rub two sticks together to make fire; there were also people in the world who felt the need to prove their superiority over some other group of people for a multitude of reasons and to use force in doing so.
I'm not so naive as to say that violence is never the answer. Certain things should be stood up for. The innocent and the weak should be protected. Evil should be fought. People like Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and others like them should be opposed. But if it wasn't for the aforementioned ignorance of humanity then people like that would have no true power and thus the need for massive bloodshed wouldn't exist. Because of the politics of the few in power, the masses that populate the opposing sides buy into the retoric that those on the "other side" are somehow beneath them, evil and worthy of destruction. We have wars and the young men and women of opposing nations go off to fight and die. Men and women that in truth are pretty much the same. They have families and jobs and loved ones. All that really separates us is geography and culture......which should be celebrated not used as a basis for killing each other.
Think about what runs through your mind when you see someone of arabic descent wearing a turban these days. Somewhere I think it was written once by someone kinda smart, that all men(and it was old but hopefully he meant women too) are created equal. If we, and I mean the global we, ever manage to truly believe that, then we will really be making a huge step forward for humankind. I wish that I believed I'd be alive to see it.
And no I'm not really a pacifist who thinks that you should never stand up for what you believe is right. I just feel that it's important to really think about those beliefs before you decide that someone deserves to die for them.
*edit* Oh yeah, I'm voting for Kerry. Although I am embarrassed to admit that I haven't managed to keep up with all of the issues going on politically so my choice might not be as well informed as it should be......school and work have kept me freaking busy lately =/ From what I saw in the presidential debates though, Kerry seems to have more of a handle on just what he is going to do as president as opposed to trying to ride America's fear of terrorism into the white house. I don't agree with everything he proposes......but it would be damn difficult to find a candidate that I DID agree with 100%.
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Originally Posted by Thuggo
lol, gotta love the (go back to Canada) part!