I'm fine with that completely, only want the regular private one. nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnemWizfyre
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I'm fine with that completely, only want the regular private one. nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnemWizfyre
And here we are back to the original issue as to why a single line was drawn about what situation would cause someone to lose access...
What should mark the point at which someone loses access for ebaying and does not?
Do you factor the amount of time they were guilded? The number of raids they attended? The amount of time the have been sold? How do you compare someone with only 1 year of active time, but nearly perfect attendance in that time vs. someone with 3 years of active time but they attended less raids than the 1 year player?
There are so many variables, it is not as simple as black and white. What I chose to do was create a basic factor to divide along.
Removing access from an ebayed person is not something new - we have done it, albeit inconsistently, since I have been hosting the forums. I consider many of the people I removed access from as people I like and do not want to lose contact with. I have also said that perhaps the addition of a veterans or retired lounge is probably a good idea and would possibly suit us here.
/boggleQuote:
Originally Posted by Andaas
What difference does this make? Either way, you still stopped playing and Hoss doesn't concern you because you are inactive from the guild.
It makes a difference because people here are feeling rather territorial. Maybe like they've done us a favor by allowing us to join them and the work we put into making a lvl 65 character with a bajillion AA pales in comparison to the 16 pieces of loot we received.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canare1
I think they may also be jealous that we've managed to break the addiction and can enjoy the social aspect again instead of being constantly oppressed with the RAID RAID RAID mentality.
I really did enjoy my time with Hoss, and if any of you think I joined just to beef Thanapur up for market, you are seriously mistaken. Perhaps some people have come through your ranks with that intent, but with the EXTENDED trial period, if you can't identify them before guilding, you only have yourself to blame.
Honestly, I think you should read Burnem's post again, Thanapur. The thread internally has like a page and a half of posts, most by the same guys. There is probably some irrational territoriality in a few of those, and there is just as much, actually far more, territoriality out here in this thread. I can't speak for any PM's Andaas is getting, of course, but there is no public upswell of "all the new guys" (read: twirp) to give you grief for beating your addiction while we have not.
Andaas decided to draw a line for people who had left the guild via the PA/ebay route. Maybe by not currently playing, you guys aren't seeing how it has currently affected the guild mentality about it. A game is a game, if you're going to bail for financial or medical or whatever reasons, RL > EQ anyday of the week. But in the past month or so, high playtime, decked DECKED characters have been PA'd...some with notice of intent, and some with really blunt "goodbye and fuck you all" posts.
The game may be dying or dead for you, but there is still a guild operating for 70 or so of us poor guys who haven't beaten the addiction. The day to day operations were seriously impaired. Hell, they ARE seriously impaired. And as we watch wave after wave of guys who leave the game, and mill around for 2 hrs a night because some key classes who were very well geared are now no longer with us because they sold externally, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth for people that ebay and leave their friends in the lurch.
As far as I'm concerned, I've earned my gear. As did anyone who ebayed. Or anyone who retired. Or anyone who is down to maybe a day a week. However, for as much right as I have to Gheltire, I do still owe the opportunity I had for my gear to Hoss, L`Malla, and Seekers. If I were to sell tomorrow (yeah yeah I'm a ranger I know that's like a buck fifty and a ham sandwich) because I was "done", leave the guys in a lurch, make them recruit and backflag and gear - when they could be progressing, and then come back a few weeks later to say "hi, see you in WoW", I wouldn't expect the best of receptions, no matter how friendly I am with these members.
My take on "once Hoss always Hoss" applies to anyone who is/was or will be Hoss deserves my respect. Some people have profitted from that affiliation, some haven't (financially). Regardless of reason, others have dropped their tag and moved on. Now just from the response I have seen from two of the "moved on" guys, who paint all current members with a pretty angry brush, you are not following the "once Hoss always Hoss" tenet either, just as you accuse some here of failing to do.
So regardless of my feelings that it really doesn't matter a hill of beans, and that this is getting way overblown, I'll stick by the guild decision, and defend it. I know it doesn't apply to the after the fact enforcement on guys who I especially like to see around (hiya Dharkk), but that part of the process isn't up to me. The selling of characters externally from the top end guild on Dro has to be curtailed, and if this is an attempt to do so, I'm for it. /rewind doesn't apply to doing guild raids week after week to regear the same classes (not players) we get to do that manually:P
Anyways, while I think Nallick could use with a chill pill, I think the insulting responses haven't put the whole topic in much good light either.
Show me where in this thread that I need a chill pill?!
Its actually funny that I saw Thanas post here and made a post in the private forums trying to get an answer to her question. I was surprised that she lost access. After I found out that Andaas decided to inforce the long time rule of banning ebayers I supported it.
Derasi First mentions me in this thread saying "blame nallick". I post WTF I had nothing to do with this but I support Andaas decision. Derasi post you were scape goat.
Thana proceeds to joke about an incident where I could have died and was probably the most tramatic thing that has ever happened to me.
I asked Thana why she is always a bitch to me and said fuck off.
I laugh at Vidmer's post. Thats it.
I know, but I needed a villain to make fun of for some levity:P
If you don't post here or have interest here, then why is it of such concern to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakky
BTW.. your comparison to this and murder was even beyond your normal overreaction.
Nobody is devaluing your contributions to what Hoss is Drakky. You simply did something when you left EQ that the majority of the people in this guild do not approve of, in selling your character. Like it or not, you don't get to make the decisions based solely on your opinion, and Andaas has not done this based solely on his opinion. The general consensus of the guild, as a whole, is selling your account means you're no longer a part of the guild.
Get over it and move on. I thought you had done that already.
Wow so many points I could respond too... Really its all pointless, It's obvious to see what this Guild has become.
D R A M A..... It's all good..
rhedd is alwasy a man of good words~ and well a tight ass too~
I agree with Andaas. There's a lot more here than just cut and dry you have Private access or you don't, but the bottom line really is he is saying he doesn't want or can't be judge and jury over every individual person who joined Hoss and then Ebayed. Don't blame him, blame the couple who used us to beef up and get a good price. But I dare anyone to try to be the one to sort out who is who.
It's not a matter of not being allowed into the board anyway. If/when I'm gone, I don't mind being able to /wave at friends in the general forum. I don't need the private forum to do that, and if I'm not playing, why would I need any more involvement in the guild aspect vs. the "friend" aspect of Hoss anyway? I doubt the only place you can find your friends is in the private Hoss forums.
Dharrk you are really nice and stuff but I just think that people should respect what's happening. It might not be the best thing in the world and it might make you feel shitty, but we can't change it now. Coming here and being upset isn't going to change anything. You have already expressed how upset you are and I respect that. But you have to realize it was a choice that was made.
Over the years many old members have posted topics or chatted in the private forums. Most of them don't get involved in EQ related stuff. They just come to talk about various topics with old friends be it politics, movies art or life in general. Yes they could talk about those things in the general section and many of them do, having the luxury of privacy can be nice sometimes however as you know often there is subjects that don't need public viewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemmi
/Ponders if the other non-ebayed retired folks will be next?
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/Ponders if the other non-ebayed retired folks will be next?[/QUOTE]
Probably Zarxen! Aparently Hoss isn't about talking with old friends. Its about working thru broken content to get phat loots for a pixelated character so Sony President can buy that new corvette!
Unity? Friendship? You want that go join Flower Power!
yea zar they you arent evil! nallick has spoken!
and wow at some of the names that have been logging in to read the boards~
Well, I was kinda bugged that I lost access to the private forums after a year of having access. I respect the decision of Andaas though. I liked being able to keep up with what was going on inside of Hoss and keeping up with personal lives of people in Hoss. I sold my account out of necessity and have regretted the days since then, but had to do what I had to. I guess something like this just makes people feel like the friends they had in Hoss weren't really friends who had to accept you even when you didn't agree with them, but were just using you as another body they needed to get what they needed. I was hoping that when WoW or another game that Hoss decided to join I would be a part of Hoss, but this seems to basically tell me I am not wanted in Hoss at all <shrug> sad, but I will live. Good luck to you all in Hoss.
Aradil
I'd like to thank everyone involved for 10 minutes of amusement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
Hi Coral!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coral
Are you comin back? We need someone to point out when people fuck up!