No, that would never justify a war. A tomahawk or 3 giftwrapped for Saddam, i could see, but not a war.
Imho, Saddam needed to be out, but I think that Bush was wrong for starting this.
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No, that would never justify a war. A tomahawk or 3 giftwrapped for Saddam, i could see, but not a war.
Imho, Saddam needed to be out, but I think that Bush was wrong for starting this.
I can't tell, is this in defense of or criticism of Bush, since a relatively minor attack occurred so early, and so many warnings were mentioned, but no action was taken?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azis
Have you read about why those countries hate us?Quote:
Lets face it, no matter who wins, people will hate the U.S.A. We will always have fucktards that want us to burn in hell. If ANY of you think that Kerry or any other canidate in the next 20-30 years will change that...well here is your wake-up call for you.
This is just embarassing.Quote:
Ya Bush lied to get us in a war(but Saddam did kill his own ppl with WMD's)...Personally if Saddam tried to assasinate my dad, I'd be pissed & out for his head too. On top of that we have Oil interests there.
And we certainly could sustain that military, right?Quote:
As for calling up reserve troops? ...Ya...thank Clinton, cause we had one hell of a military coming out of the cold war with Regan.
Now this is martydom. It's the American people's fault that our economy plummeted. Oh, those damn people! What about the economic policy of the current administration? What about rising oil costs, with oil being a metric for standard of living as well as quality of life? Consumer confidence is at an all time low, right?Quote:
Economy being blamed on Bush? Are you kidding me? If us Americans could have went about our normal lives after 9/11 we wouldn't have seen any* downfalls to the economy during Bush's 4 years...but NO...we all stopped traveling, stopped spending, and WE...the consumers of the U.S. did it to ourselves.
When you hear stuff on TV, do you research it to make an informed opinion, or do you shoot from the hip?Quote:
I dunno, for a guy that has 3 purple hearts, you would think that the man would have voted to get our guys body armor...but he did not, and I think that says just about all we need to know about how this man will run our military and forieghn relations...without a backbone.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=177.html
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=177.html
This is a matter of opinion, and I'll leave it at that, but tell me, what exactly makes Bush NOT shady?Quote:
Bush is not the best man for the job, I will admit that, but Kerry is WAY too shady to be the MOST powerful man in the world.
The President makes hardly any money from "salary". Book deals and private interest groups campaigning for "favors" brings in the majority of the income . In this case, power is money.Quote:
The best thing we could do for the United States, if we ever want a good man/woman leading our country...is to put a salery cap on the presidency~
You had me at Dicks fuck Assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilrith
America, fuck yeah!
I think you meant Richard Clarke, Thuggo. Point still stands!Quote:
Wesley Clarke
Wait wait, I know this one! Because they hate freedom!Quote:
Have you read about why those countries hate us?
This is funny. On one hand, Clinton apparently decimated the military. On the other hand, this same military only a year after Clinton left office waged an extremely successful war in a country where superpowers have gone to be embarassed for centuries, with an incredibly small force. Same goes with Iraq. Both military campaigns were actually extremely successful, the aftermaths much less so.Quote:
As for calling up reserve troops? ...Ya...thank Clinton, cause we had one hell of a military coming out of the cold war with Regan.
So which is it? Did Clinton destroy the military? If so, why then was it able to in the space of 18 months invade and decapitate two governments of two countries with casualties in the dozens or low hundreds? Make up your mind, already.
i didnt know choosing to fight in nam shows weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilrith
then after seeing it was a a fruitless war(maybe you think it wasnt?)--become vocal and speek up about it.
i think dodging things, so people you never meet take your place and die is much better.
4 more years!!!
4 more years!
Wow. Why invent your own opinion when people can feed you ready made terms that are far easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilrith
Why is Bush a dick? And why is Kerry a pussy? Wait, is it because he spoke up about vietnam? I suppose the kids at Kent state are pussies too. And what do you think of Vietnam anyway?
And why do you think people become "terrorists"? It's a desperate idiology that fights against military forces when in a conventional war it has no chance of winning. It's desperate, cruel, and the only way such people fight back.
But I suppose this is D&D and we should just call them chaotic evil and join forces and swing our righteous freedom bats and save the earth.
God, the fact that the Canadians here are more educated on our political situation than Americans is embarassing. (Not because you're Canadain of course, you get what I'm saying)
Why is it that I see all the Bush supporters with talking point generalities but I rarely see the Kerry supporters with such? Maybe I should just look harder, but seriously?
hmmm...
I don't live in Texas, so there will be no shooting from "The hip"Quote:
When you hear stuff on TV, do you research it to make an informed opinion, or do you shoot from the hip?
Kerry voted NO on S.1689. In this bill there was $300,000,000 for improved body armor for our troops. His own Democrats outvoted him and Edwards 37 to 11, the overall vote was 87 for to 12 against.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote =00400
S.1689 Summary
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@D&summ2=m&
S.1689 Detail
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.1689:
Yes, I think we could. With 1.4million troops today, we are at 3.1% GDP. If we go back up to the numbers we had during the first gulf war, 2million, then we would be right around 4.1% GDP. Thats for abit over 600,000 troops. It may not sound like much, but we fought the first gulf war with just over 600,000 troops.Quote:
And we certainly could sustain that military, right?
http://www.va.gov/oaa/pocketcard/gulfwar_summary.asp
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...03-ff04se.html
I do think that Kerry is too shaddy to be Pres, or he would do something as simple as sign his Military Form 180, release of his military records to the public. But he hasn't. Did Kerry get booted from the military? Maybe...maybe not, but the people John Kerry served with are calling him out. His book doesn't match his statements over the years, and Military grunts to Rear Admerals are shouting BS.
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0408201031.asp
Now I don't believe everything I read but, coming from the mouths of the men that served with him...seems like Kerry is hiding from his past. Here are some video's, I find the first purple heart story shocking to say the least.
http://www.swiftvetsandpows.com/
With so much of his run for pres being based on him being a war hero, I'd like to see his military records. People that have made it to the Oval Office before him have released thier records without batting an eye, but Kerry might just roll the dice and ride it out.
:rolleyes:
Azis, look at that link you posted about voting no to body armor. the only time armor is mentioned in the bill is in reference to armored vehicles, it doesn't mention body armor anywhere in the bill. and it doesnt give a specified amount to the armored vehicles, it just says that it calls for a reevaluation of armored vehicle needs by an army commander or whatever to be taken from an already existing iraqi freedom fund....
Tarrisa and Zappo (and anyone else for that matter), before you go crazy ninja ball-buster style all over Lilrith, go see Team America: World Police eh~ ;)
I don't understand why Bush even HAS supporters. The man has pretty much failed at everything he's ever done in life. His failed oil company, his failed presidential administration and so on.
The CIA told his people in NO uncertain terms that the al queda had operatives in the US learning to fly commercial planes so that they could be used as weapons, but they ignored it. It's not their fault that the attack was planned, but it's certainly their fault that it succeeded. Why do you have intelligence if you don't want to listen to what they tell you?
Bush's amazing ability to try to sound intelligent when he has to do his own speaking, yet failing spectacularly at every turn. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... .. can't.... can't fool me again!". I'm sure we've all heard that one. There are books out here in Canada that are nothing but quotes of Bush making himself sound like a fool.
The fact that he has such little regard for your constitution. He thinks he's above it, he thinks his own personal religious beliefs come before a constitution that the government is sworn to uphold. Hello?
He was nominated to lead his party based largely on his stance against gay union and marriage. Now he is supporting gay union because he knows he needs votes. When asked, "are you now going against the stance that won you your nomination?". Bush's reply was simply one word : "Yes". And then he turns around and calls Kerry someone who will say anything to get elected.
He lied about Iraq to go to war there. Over 1000 US soldiers are dead because of this. God knows how many innocent civilians within Iraq are dead because of this.
And yet, next Tuesday, some of you will still vote to put him back in office....
I'm reading "Unfit for Command" now actually. So far, I've read about 75% anecdotal evidence, so I felt like I was sitting around a campfire with a bunch of old men who didn't like a guy. They conveniently quote people when they say something bad about Kerry, but then fail to quote that same person when they say overwhelmingly positive things about him.
Perhaps I'm failing at my own attempt at pragmatism. Maybe I am simply a victim to whatever ingrained beliefs I have, just like the people I dislike who support Bush. But I sure think I'm resting my case on all of the evidence I was presented rather than my gut reaction on our so-called "War Against Terror".
This is what I base my decisions on. http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm
Most people voting for Bush are pure-partisans or scared of Kerry it seems.Quote:
I don't understand why Bush even HAS supporters.
Seriously, wow. I mean really, wow. Do you still wear a diaper? Or have you finally graduated to whiping your ass? Because to me, someone so willing to hand over responsibility and just remain in blissful ignorace probably wouldn't mind just grabbing a fresh pampers every now and then. It's just easier that way.Quote:
First off: He knows whats up...I mean what is really up. Maybe They/He aren't telling us, but at least They/He really know.
"Hey Lilrith, you hear that 100,000 Iraqis are dead because of the war, the FBI is investigating the Pentagon for the sweetheart contract awarded to Cheney's former company to the tune of $2.5billion so far, and that because of the incompetence and lack of planning in Iraq it's a good bet that most of the Iraqi army's equipment is now in the hands of lunatics?"
"Don't worry man."
"What, why?"
"He knows."
"Who knows?"
"Bush"
"What the hell are you talking about."
"He knows man." *looks serious* "He knows."
Just fyi, a real Texan wouldn't shoot from the hip either....just the pretend ones do. And you know who is a pretend Texan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azis
<3 40! Actually I have lived in Texas b4 & its one of my fav places in the US.
As for Eomer...
Everyone will feel the way they feel, vote the way they will vote, could atleast be decent about it.
Not sure why the personal attacks.. but knock it off.
This isn't a flame forum. Be nice or this thread get's deleted.