Canadian national anthem boo'd in Philly?

Actually they don't want to totally separate... its called Sovereignty Association. They want to run the gov't and collect taxes (without sending a portion of taxes to the Canadian govt), but want to use Canadian dollars, and still get a percentage of money from Canada. Add to that, they want all treaties, and negotiations prior made (think nafta) to include them under current rules.

Gotta admit that it takes some brass ones to think this would even remotely have a chance and that it is anything less than the spoiled child wanting more candy. Would be funny to see the reaction if any part of canada outside quebec tried to fine someone for having a sign outside their store where french letters were larger than english (in Quebec french letters must make up more than 50% of the sign).

Argue all you want that these measures are needed to protect the French-Canadian culture, it all boils down to one group wanting better treatment than everyone else. Kinda like womens groups that argue no club should be men only (think augusta in the U.S), but find no problem with women's only gyms. People don't want to be equal, they want better treatment than the other person.

on a side note: Mamilia... thuggo was merely reacting to an idiot that accused him of racism (without actually even bothering to look up the definition of the word, Mkai you need to buy a dictionary man.. or at least use the net for a sec to look up shit before you respond to posts). You then made up some nonsense about it being the american dream to bomb people.. nice sweeping generalization. Its not the american dream... its the Thuggo dream. Then he of course replies to your stupidity, and you start calling him a redneck. This is of course likely because rather than read a book or take a class or something, you have decided to earn your education in front of a tv... too bad you just watch old reruns of jeff foxworthy, and garbage music videos. Try the discovery channel, or TLC, or something...

Man stupid people give me a headache

I done growded up watchun T.V. wutchu talkun about p0 educurtion.

These political posts can get quite amusing actually. If you like this kind of stuff there is some more blood-boiling political arguments at druzzilro.com in the battlefield section.

It can provide for some good entertainment when you see some of these guys frothing at the mouth defending what they believe to a total stranger in this world of EQ. I know Thuggo was joking around, but there is some people on the DRO board that do get serious. I think Eomer get's their blood boiling, but he makes good posts =)

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Damn right Varran. This right here is at the core of probably 90% of the worlds problems today. I could dig up 75 or so examples but I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet ;)

On a side note....I know that any debate...but for some reason especially any type of politcal debate...can get people's blood hot. But why the need to get personal? No finger pointing here...but especially in the last few pages people have veered away from stating opinions on the thread topic and dipped to flinging poo at each other.

On the one hand the evil troll in me loves a really well thought out and witty flame. On the other hand....when your opinion is backed up by insults of someone else as opposed to facts then it loses a little validity.


Ahhh screw it.....having thought it over I realize that if there wasn't any flaming going on then this thread would have justifiably died quite a while ago :rolleyes:

Not sure how well this comaprison applies...and also not sure but that someone will of course take it the wrong way as is usually the case but I'll give it a go anyway.

People always seem to have vastly different opinions when it comes down to specifics vs. generalities. Other Canadians about Quebec. Americans about Canadians, Canadians about Americans etc....the generalities expressed here probably in no way represent the opinions that any of you have based on what actually effects you on a day to day basis.

It reminds me of a friend I had at my last place of employment. There was something I didn't know about him right off the bat becaue it just didn't come up right away. As it turns out he was raises in a rural type area that was almost entirely white. There were as he later told me...only 2 black kids that went to his school and they were persecuted pretty badly. My friend was not only a part of it but he actually still thought it was funny. He was almost without thinking about it...a pretty huge racist. He threw the word Niggar around and actually MEANT it. Having grown up in a thoroughly mixed school in the city I had never been exposed to anything like that before and quite frankly didn't know how to react. Aside from that he was a decent guy.....but he had a broad general opinion of Blacks as being inferior to him. Now the point at which this becomes relevant is now.....we both worked at the same plant and we had some black co-workers. While my friend had those general opinions that I found so detestable...he had no problem being friends with those black co-workers. He knew them as people instead of an idea. I never could understand how he could have such differing behavior regarding this and even when I put the question to him he couldn't really explain it either.

In short....the problem we as the human race have is this. We are far to apt to view certain things from too broad a perspective. If the scope gets too big we lose track of who may or may not be affected. Using the war in Iraq for example. If CNN broadcast footage of an American soldier gunning down an Iraqi woman and her child...there would be a huge public outcry at the inhumanity of it. If that same woman and child were killed but it was during the same fight that several hundred others were killed....there very well might be a reaction but it would be diluted. It is harder to emotionally connect with a large mass of people that it is with just a few.

So anyway like I said...I haven't finished my first cup of coffee and this may or may not make sense to anyone....including me later in the day heh. It couldn't hurt though to always take a moment to stop and think before you post something that is directly aimed at another person. I know it's just a message board and that anyone who registers for ANY board should grow some thick skin as some flames will invariably come there way....but that doesn't mean we can't TRY to at least be civil.


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Here's a news flash dipshit French is not a race it's a nationality. Another news flash fucktard French-Canadian is not a race either. You can take your smug superior attitude and pack it in your ass Mkai.

on a side note: Mamilia... thuggo was merely reacting to an idiot that accused him of racism (without actually even bothering to look up the definition of the word, Mkai you need to buy a dictionary man.. or at least use the net for a sec to look up shit before you respond to posts).

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www.webster.com

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
Date: 1580
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

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On a final note if I was running a bombing campaign against Quebec I would aim for your house first Mkai.

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That because you are too chicken and you'd have to hide to do your actions.

html code must of cut down the last part so I'll retype it:

2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics "the English race"

lol buaz makes this really long, sensible contemplative post and then its followed by two 'fuck you too''s that ignore it and just return fire

Now that is the comedy of humanity in action!

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WOW FRANCE HAS ITS OWN RACE OF HUMANS!

Seriously, maki or whatever the fuck your name is....read your defintion...Then try and use it in a sentence. Its the HUMAN RACE not the fucking english race, french race, chinese race. Those are nationalities not different races.

I can't believe you were the fastest out of the 100,000 sperm.

Your a dipshit end of story. So fuck off

So I take it tis means Friendship and hawt sex0rs are out huh?


On a serious note...I firmly believe that every person has a right to thier opinions... to think them, believe them, voice them and act on them,....and collectively opinions have the power to influence great actions...BUT individually our opinions will not change anything except the freindships we have formed and treasure when we turn on one another in a message board thread that in all honesty, serves no greater good and no purpose other than to inflame people and cause strife for the entertainment of one insignificant little worm...so how bout we find the common enemy, join ranks and do away with this little ass named Mamilia, who apparently has no life other than that derived from other peoples misery?

THEN the hawt sex0rs can resume =)

Luv yall

Erin

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read your defintion...Then try and use it in a sentence. Its the HUMAN RACE not the fucking english race, french race, chinese race. Those are nationalities not different races.

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It's not my definition, it comes from webster. Race isn't just about color. You'll go to bed less stupid tonight.

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Seriously, maki or whatever the fuck your name is....

I can't believe you were the fastest out of the 100,000 sperm.

Your a dipshit end of story. So fuck off

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when intelligence fail, try insults...

Your still here? I thought i told you to fuck off.

Who said anything about color besides you? Your the dumbass who has no idea what he's talking about. Walk up to someone and said Hi i'm from the AMERICAN RACE they'll look at you and think what a fucking dumbass this kid is and hopefully punch you in the face for being so stupid.

Intellectual giant strikes again!

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when intelligence fail, try insults...

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use proper spelling next time.

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Your still here? I thought i told you to fuck off.

Who said anything about color besides you? Your the dumbass who has no idea what he's talking about. Walk up to someone and said Hi i'm from the AMERICAN RACE they'll look at you and think what a fucking dumbass this kid is and hopefully punch you in the face for being so stupid.

Intellectual giant strikes again!


use proper spelling next time.

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I knew spelling would be next. Read back you previous post. (defintion). I didn't want to bring it up because it's childish...
As far as saying hi I'm American race, it does sound weird but it's valid. I understand it's hard for your brain to comprehend this.
Maybe in a couple of years you'll understand. Then again...


I'm pretty much done with this thread. There was some serious French-CDN bashing and I wanted to bring light from the other side. Some completly ignore the whole subject just to try to look cool because it's important for them to look cool in front of their friends. I'll admit I did that too in the past (15years ago) but I'm past that now. So go ahead and flame me if you think that will make you look smart/cool.

my main problem with that whole thing mkai is that you talk of french-canadian bashing... I have absolutely no difficulties with people that call themselves french-canadian other than the fact that france has nothing to do with them.

I have problems with quebecers and the impression they have that the country owes them something merely because they speak a different language. Your culture is very similar to mine, in fact I would not hesitate to say that it is identical except for the fact that we speak a different language (I say this assuming you are one of the persons with french as their first language).

The culture of "french-canadians" is a misnomer. You are a Canadian the same as I am, and trying to preserve a language in our country is a vastly different thing than trying to preserve a culture. Don't worry... they serve poutine at Harvey's... you've done your job, now let me put the specials sign outside a restaurant in English in Montreal s'il vous plait.

You can use a minor codicil in a dictionary to try and prove french is a race but it isn't. To use the same codicil would mean that people that live in Montreal are their own race, or that people in an apartment building are their own race.. or hell even people that play everquest are their own race... its nonsense and you know it.

There have been some errors in US politics of late that blur the politics of France with that of people that speak french in Canada, and I, to be honest, find it kind of funny. Jean Cretien may be from Quebec, but his policies are nothing to do with being from that province... they are because he is both a coward and an idiot that rules by opinion poll and not ethics.

As far as I am concerned, go ahead.. separate. More power to you. In the meantime, you can take all the Quebec politicians with you, you can make your own money, we're taking all our head offices back (Via Rail, Air Canada, etc), and all the passports that allow you acceptance into a myriad of other countries based on the Canadian reputation are ours we want them back too. Good luck with separation... let me know how it works out for you.

and before you bring up the fact that the last referendum failed... let me remind you that the vote was 50.6 percent vs 49.4

Well, since Varran is posting something sensible, might as well add to it.

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my main problem with that whole thing mkai is that you talk of french-canadian bashing... I have absolutely no difficulties with people that call themselves french-canadian other than the fact that france has nothing to do with them.

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So I guess you use french-cdn for french speaking canadian outside Quebec. Well, It's true they don't have anything to do with France now. But the language does come from there. I'm a little confused with your statement. People from Quebec don't have anything to do with France now either. Hell, we can't even stand them most of the time ;). But french-cdn does include the people who speak french in Quebec because last I checked, I was still paying taxes to Canada.

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I have problems with quebecers and the impression they have that the country owes them something merely because they speak a different language.

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You are making a serious generalization. Only the hard core seperatist might think like that and I doubt it's the main issue. And they don't make 49% of the population. I doubt they even make 15%.

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Your culture is very similar to mine, in fact I would not hesitate to say that it is identical except for the fact that we speak a different language (I say this assuming you are one of the persons with french as their first language).

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Well, we do share a lot of things but I do think there are some differences. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing or that I think you owe me anything. And yes my first language is French. That's why you'll see some typos sometimes /shrug.

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The culture of "french-canadians" is a misnomer. You are a Canadian the same as I am, and trying to preserve a language in our country is a vastly different thing than trying to preserve a culture.

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I get your point and it's valid. But I still think my culture is somewhat different then yours. Just like someones culture from Ontario would be different then someone from PEI.

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Don't worry... they serve poutine at Harvey's... you've done your job, now let me put the specials sign outside a restaurant in English in Montreal s'il vous plait.

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LMAO !!! I hate Harvey's though ;) BK all the way!
I'm not up to date with the current laws but I think the French has to be bigger than the English and that's all. I'm fine with that.

The main reason the government is putting up all theses laws about keeping French is to "protect" Quebecers from themselves, not to annoy English Canadians. Maybe French would be a second language here now if it wasn't for those laws. I totally agree that it's almost keeping French alive artificially since most people near MTL speak both language and that's like half the population of the province. Is keeping French alive a bad thing, that's another debate but let me just add that I like the fact that I speak 2 languages and I'd love to learn some more, if I could find the time...

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You can use a minor codicil in a dictionary to try and prove french is a race but it isn't. To use the same codicil would mean that people that live in Montreal are their own race, or that people in an apartment building are their own race.. or hell even people that play everquest are their own race... its nonsense and you know it.

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As far as I am concerned, go ahead.. separate. More power to you. In the meantime, you can take all the Quebec politicians with you, you can make your own money, we're taking all our head offices back (Via Rail, Air Canada, etc), and all the passports that allow you acceptance into a myriad of other countries based on the Canadian reputation are ours we want them back too. Good luck with separation... let me know how it works out for you.

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Read my previous posts and you'll noticed that I'm not a seperatist.

I do have concern though: I would really like to have 2 governments that can manage their spending with a bit more intelligence though. I worked at the federal government while I was a student ( I did 2 agencies ) and I have a friend that works at Environment Canada and it's absolutely amazing to see and hear the money that's being wasted. Just for starters, they have a budgets and if they don't spend it all they lose some of it, so they end up buying a shitload of crap just to be right on the mark.

Basically, I'd like both my government to be run like private companies internally and they I'd have 0 complaints. My salary is somewhat around 70k/year. I have about 40k left after income taxes from both government went thru it. And for everything I buy, I have to pay an additional 15% sales taxes. I'd like to either have a bit more money in my pocket or have a lot more for my moneys worth than I have now. But that has nothing to do with seperatist or hating Canada; I love this country. It has to do with common sense imo.

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and before you bring up the fact that the last referendum failed... let me remind you that the vote was 50.6 percent vs 49.4

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I never said the mass was intelligent...
A lot of people really thought that if they voted yes, it would be business as usual and the end result was that they'd have more.
Bunch of clueless fuck...

Excellent job of selective copying and pasting Mkai here's the whole relevant part of the page.

race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
Biology.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.


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[French, from Old French, from Old Italian razza, race, lineage.]
Usage Note: The notion of race is nearly as problematic from a scientific point of view as it is from a social one. European physical anthropologists of the 17th and 18th centuries proposed various systems of racial classifications based on such observable characteristics as skin color, hair type, body proportions, and skull measurements, essentially codifying the perceived differences among broad geographic populations of humans. The traditional terms for these populationsCaucasoid (or Caucasian), Mongoloid, Negroid, and in some systems Australoidare now controversial in both technical and nontechnical usage, and in some cases they may well be considered offensive. (Caucasian does retain a certain currency in American English, but it is used almost exclusively to mean “white” or “European” rather than “belonging to the Caucasian race,” a group that includes a variety of peoples generally categorized as nonwhite.) The biological aspect of race is described today not in observable physical features but rather in such genetic characteristics as blood groups and metabolic processes, and the groupings indicated by these factors seldom coincide very neatly with those put forward by earlier physical anthropologists. Citing this and other pointssuch as the fact that a person who is considered black in one society might be nonblack in anothermany cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.

Well holy shit would you look at that, it's one hell of a caveat. So unless you are a strict proponent of phrenology I still refuse to consider French or French-Canadian as a race. Although after reviewing the posts of the Quebecanese or whatever you call yourselves I would be willing to concede that many of you carry the gene for stupid.

As for a bombing campaign, well I have changed my mind. Using a bomb which costs several thousand dollars on your home, which is probably worth about $5.00 Canadian, would be a waste. Instead I think I will hide your wallet and your checkbook under your workboots. Obviously you would never think to pick these up and you would face the slow death of starvation.

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lol buaz makes this really long, sensible contemplative post and then its followed by two 'fuck you too''s that ignore it and just return fire

Now that is the comedy of humanity in action!

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/sigh :rolleyes:

I guess I am up on a bit of a soapbox...and my opinion is only my own. I just don't see the point of personal attacks vs> actual debate.

If someone states an opinion and your response is fuck you, you're wrong and your Mom's ugly....how does that in any way actually disprove his thoughts or start a discussion on them? People throw flames, pick on spelling and grammar and resort to refuting others ideas by simply saying you're wrong because I said so.

That's supposed to be the heart of the American ideal right? I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the last your right to say it?

When your arguments consist of flames (and this is a blanket statement...no finger pointing) then all you can hope to get out of it is that feeling of glee when you tear someone up on a message board with no fear of repercussion from him since neither of you actually know each other. That and you might manage to amuse some people if your flame is witty enough...but hell if you want to make people laugh post a joke :rolleyes:

Rule of thumb I have is that if I wouldn't say it to his face then I don't post it. If some of the stuff I've read here in this thread is stuff you would say to anyones face then maybe you need to work on social skills ;)

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Rule of thumb I have is that if I wouldn't say it to his face then I don't post it. If some of the stuff I've read here in this thread is stuff you would say to anyones face then maybe you need to work on social skills

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I think the same Buaz, I am sure alot of people that are overly vocal or agressive in posts don't act like that in real life. Nothing worse then some scrawny little 98 pound weakling in EQ trying to act tough heh.