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I love my cute Texan~
/hugs and kisses Thana
Can we at last get our names colored Magenta or something instead of default blue?
I feel used!
That's because you are Borg member 00163. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy
:D
I would like to address the notion "once you are HOSS you are always HOSS"
This idea dates back to a time when HOSS was much smaller and less goal oriented. The guild was of a fundamentaly different nature when people said that. While it was never put in writing there was an unspoken assumption that such a relationship was a two way street. You see there was no need to as in those days people were guilded as much for their "character" as for their "uberness". Ebaying wasn't even really thought of so there was no need for a formal policy. As HOSS grew to meet the demands of EQ skill began to become the most important factor. Unspoken and unchallenged assumption on "HOSSly" behavior were regularly violated. Ebaying your character is perhaps the greatest violation of that unspoken contract.
What many people posting here may have conveniently forgotten is that membership in the HOSS family is a two-way street. It is a set of benefits and responsibilities not just a set of benefits. One of the responsibilities is to keep from tarnishing the name of the guild. Ebaying tarnishes the reputation of all those you leave behind while also undermining the trust of current guildmates. Every time a guildmate I have fought side by side with Ebays (and that would be most every last one) I feel like an ATM machine. I lose all trust in somoene as a guildmate when they Ebay. I know many people have legitimate financial reasons for Ebaying, but my trust dies just the same.
Were HOSS to find itself in a more competitive situation would I feel comfortable knowing people who have sold out once already have access to sensitive information? I personally would not.
Far too often people do not face consequences for their actions, the boasting about exploiting earlier in this thread is a prime example of the danger it causes. Current HOSS should not be allowed to think that Ebaying or other "unethical" acts are acceptable behavior by HOSSlings. To do otherwise is to subconciously invite this sort of behavior. That said most of the social posts in private would be better suited in this forum. I think a concious efford to do so would be a reasonable compromise to those that feel they were misled.
Inactive characters aren't deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanapur
I can see where Drakky is coming from, it's not Just Player A vs. Player B...
Im just lucky I never had access to begin with!
Oh yeah, inactive accounts dont delete characters, I can attest to that... well at least not after 2 years anyway
Vidmer:
If you played EQ for a few years, and needed to... oh I don't know... pay tuition? And EQ was becoming boring to you. Would you care about the HOSS unspoken code? If someone can slap down 2-5 thousand bucks so you can LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD (was the case for me) then if you DONT do it, you're the one with the problem. We don't all have 5 cars in the screenshots forum with beaches in the background...
Not to step on too many toes, but if you are in such bad shape that should require you to sell a video game character, you have absolutely no business picking another one up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serendib
In those cases, I think it might be good policy not to let anyone back in the fold again, anyway. I certainly don't want to encourage someone to come back into the fold if they are going to get overly addicted and sacrifice everything else in their lives to promote their digital self.
Call it tough love or whatever you want, but if you are in a situation that requires you to sell your character just to scrape by, please don't ever come back; because you'll just end up putting yourself in the same situation once more. Regardless of what anyone else may think, no one in this guild wants to see someone sell their character because they can't even afford to put food on the table.
Bottom line: if you are playing EQ to make money, you are in the wrong business. You will make more money working at McDonalds. If you want to make a quick buck off your character, I don't care; but you shouldn't expect anyone to willingly offer you their hand again if you slapped them in the face.
How about this scenario, a person has been working at Delta Airlines for 3 years, and everything was going great, playing games all the time, but no worries, seemingly, on the horizon. Then, BAM, Delta decides to cut 25% of its workforce and that person is caught up in it. Given todays job market, it takes longer than expected for that person to find a new job. Now that person doesn’t have many bankable assets, but one happens to be a game acct. Should he or should he not sell that asset in order to keep paying for rent, food, etc? I think by all means sell it in order to continue with life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talas
And lets say after a while, they do get life in order, should the fact that they needed to sell a character in order to get by stop them from playing that game again once they get back on their feet? I don't think so. This scenario wasn’t caused by the game, but rather RL dealing them a temporary bad hand.
I don’t think is as black and white as, selling a char to profit or not. Some have genuine needs, and selling an acct, IMO is fine in that regard. Situations vary, and i think that’s what serendib is trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talas
The best things in life are freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Talas
But you can keep them for the birds and bees
Give me money
Thats' what I want, thats' what I waaaaaaaaant yeah
That's what I want
Your lovin gives me a thrill
But your lovin don't pay my bills
Give me money
That's what I want, thats what I waaaaaaaaant yeah
That's what I want
Money don't get everything its true
But what it don't get I can't use
Give me money
Lotsa money
That's what I waaaaaaaaant yeah
That's what I want
Give me money
Lotsa money
A whole lotta money
Just give me some money
That's what I waaaaaaaaaant yeah
That's what I want
Give me money
Lotsa money
Just give me money
A whole lotta money
That's what I waaaaaaaaaant yeah
That's what I want
lol
Save for the jokes, there hasn't been an original thought in this thread since the third or fourth post.
Love the 'revoked citizenship due to ebaying' thing though ~
By all means if you need to sell your character to pay the bills you should. It is your choice and your choice alone. Does selling your character make you a bad person? No, just a liability to a guild. Think of selling your character as selling stock in a company, once that stock is gone you have lost your voting rights no matter how much you may appreciate the company.
Perhaps we should have a discussion on what the consequences for Ebaying should be if any. I am open to dicussing the lose and gain inherent in tolerating sellers. Is there a net benefit to the guild, a net lose, an even break? Is there a way to protect against abuse? Should HOSS have an uniform policy or make judgements on an individual basis.
If you have the need to sell your account for any reason why would you feel a need to post in private forums here?
The ebayers are still allowed to post in the public forums, they are not banned from the site. They can still share thoughts with their friends, they just can't do so in the private section.
Talas:
I played EQ through highschool. I quit when I started university, I sold my character because a) eq went to crap, and b) student loans are gay, c) I hear good grades are important
You obviously come from a family where financial problems havent arisen, so I feel no need to comment on a situation you do not understand.
It wasnt a case of "I need this money to eat, I have no job" etc.. its just a cause of "Extra money from a game that went to all hell would be pretty cool". I was a firm believer in non-ebaying until I quit. Then it just seemed fitting that I could make 40 cents an hour playing a GAME I had enjoyed for so long.
I never sold an item until I quit, or a single platinum piece. But when I realized my character was never going to be logged into again, why not sell it? If someone came to your door with money and layed it there, would you spend it? Or leave it on the floor? Shrug..
<3 Beatles
another irrelevant post by me
touchy subject eh~ i can feel for all sides of the fence here, obviously giving inactive members access to the private part of the message boards is a no no, regardless of ebay or not, im sure hoss has as many board leaks as we did. Then i feel for people like drakky who feel they helped father a guild and now get cut out...there is no win win but at the end of the day andaas decision is the smart one for the sake of the guild. I would remove peoples access the second they deguilded/ebayed, inactivity is a tougher issue though.
funny how the ebay topic still goes on, years ago it was a crime to ebay now it is much much more accepted...i think most of us including myself were 100% against ebay, and i was the first person to try to block people who i smelt a hint of ebay in, like elidroth into SoN, and look how wrong i was hes a great guy(i'm been serious not joking)
all i can say is the ebay runs deep...in hoss, out of hoss, it is all around you, do most of you know cinder got banned for ebaying? fucking cinder!!
I'm just glad my group of friends all quit around the same time, and we kind of accepted hey we all put in so much fucking time to this game..why the fuck not..we deserve it, so ebay became accepted amongst us. I'm one of the people who isnt starving for the money but i didnt work or do shit for years so that cash is still nice to have.
i cant think of a punchline, its a crap situation, but the pissed people i guess you just have to understand they are still trying to run a secure eq guild, even though eq is not your concerns anymore.
ps. anyone want to buy shik?
It was probably wrong for me to quote your earlier post following with my opinions, because it really wasn't relevant to your idea. My opinion doesn't really reflect on your personal decision, but rather to those people that ruined their financials because of EQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serendib
I honestly understand your motives, and I can't be the one to judge whether what you did was wrong or right (I might have done the same if I were in your situation, like you mentioned). Sorry to pressure you to defend your personal situation.
But like many have said in the previous posts, if you sell that character (which you have the right to - pending it doesn't violate EULA :p) to buy a car, put money down on a house, pay rent, or buy a really cool big screen TV, you have violated some people's trust. And once you have violated it, you can't really expect things to be the same. So yea, you can't have your cake and eat it too, but I think most of the people here understand that anyway - so it is moot.
And to those that don't, well - hopefully you will learn it someday without the curtain of anonymnity that that Internet shields you with! :p
Oh, what the hell, had to say something.
I sold my account. In guild. If nobody in guild had made an offer, and someone out of the guild had, I would have taken it. If that got me banned from the public boards, oh well, whatever, I still read, even occasionally post, but wouldn't feel like it was some deep insult, and I was in the guild from about the 2nd or 3rd week of release, with a few "I quits" along the way. Hell, I was once guild leader for a while, though really only because nobody else wanted it, nor cared, nor thought it was something to be respected, certainly not while it was me.
Then again, if there were people in Hoss I really wanted to keep in touch with, there's either the general board, PMs or email. Being banned from the private section wouldn't suddenly cut me off from anyone I couldn't still contact a number of other ways, and while there are some entertaining posts there, I wouldn't feel shunned by people I once thought of as dear, close friends.
I guess I'm glad I sold within guild, means I still get to read a bit more than I would if I hadn't, but none of it really concerns me, it's more for the entertainment value, and sometimes it's interesting to see what's still going on in a world that was once a very big part of my own.
By quitting the game and selling your character out of guild, you removed yourself from the game completely. You still have access to the general boards. But while there's really very little in the private boards that could be considered top secret, that shouldn't be read by people no longer involved with the game, I can completely understand the reasoning that "If you don't play the game, if you wanted to sever all ties by selling out of guild, then why would 1) you want to read about things that don't concern you 2) we want you to read about things that don't concern you". I quit, you left, you can still talk to anyone you want in the general section, PM, email, whatever, but when you quit a company, they usually don't keep inviting you to the board meetings. You can still visit, but you're no longer an employee, and as such, do not enjoy certain priviledges anymore.
So, deal with it.
And if you would like to counter with "You can say that because you still have private access", I'd be happy to volunteer having my private access revoked if that will somehow prove a point. But I won't, because I don't have to prove anything to anyone around here.
If you feel deeply insulted about losing access, that's unfortunate, especially if you had to sell because of severe financial instability, that you had absolutely no other choice, it was either sell or lose your apartment, house, dog, wife, groceries, whatever. It's not your fault that you were broke and that you could get more money out of guild than in, but it was your life at stake, you did what you had to do, and if that results in your being removed from the private boards, and you feel that you've had people turn their backs on you when you were just trying to survive, again, get over it. What's the big deal? So you can't go to the board meetings any more, even though you really loved the free donuts. You haven't been banned from the building, you can still get together after work (ok, the analogy is getting old, but it does work).
Now, if you sold just for some fun money, because you didn't really need it but figured you could get some extra cash, who cares about how others might feel, then do you really think you should still have access?
I just don't understand why it's such a big deal. You quit EQ, you don't play, you sold out of guild, if you want to stay in touch with the people, use the general boards, PMs, email, but there's no reason to think you should be involved, or have access to, the innerworkings and private conversations of those that still play.
Oh, and one last thing - to those saying if someone sold their character, they should never be allowed to play any game ever again - I say blow me. You've clearly never been in a really rough financial situation, then recovered. Since January we were totally broke, just making rent was always a panic. I'm still $5000 in debt to my credit card, but at the time was also in deep with every other bill possible. We're recovering now, we had a really good month of employment, and hopefully it'll continue. We're still definitely not out of the hole, but we also have no plans on staying there forever. I don't intend on being hand to mouth poor the rest of my life, and will fairly soon be comfortable enough financially that if I wanted to spend $15 a month on a game, it would not be a question of that or eating for a few days. I'm fully hoping to have enough money to play WoW when it goes retail, though that will depend on what the finished product is like.
Nobody should be telling anyone what they can do with their lives (though in saying that, I guess I'm doing it too), and definitely should not be making broad comments that generalize and even trivialize certain people's predicaments.
Ebaying for profit is a good way to burn bridges for future involvement in anything the EQ Hoss plans on doing (though how the other incarnations of Hoss may feel could be entirely different), but every case has circumstances that would need to be considered.
At the moment, the decision has been that if you have quit EQ and sold outside the guild, you have quit being an active member of an organization, by choice or by necessity, and as such, no longer have access to some things you were used to. Entirely fair. It might not be a big deal, is there anything in the private boards you absolutely should not be reading? Doubtful, but since it doesn't concern you, it's not your choice.
I don't really support it either way. Mainly because I think it's ridiculous for such a big deal to be made of it. You quit, you sold out of guild, why do you expect you'd still be considered a part of it? If you want to stay in touch with people, go right ahead.
I just don't get it. Reality check, please.
I have thought about this a lot. I'm not sure if I can put my finger on the pulse of my feelings, but after reading all these posts I feel that one thing really stands out for me:
It's fucking eBay, not gawdamned Ebay. Fuckers.
Anal retentively yours,
-- Peotr (The Normal Guy) ©™
P.S. There is no hyphen in anal retentive. Fuckers.