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So much anger.......
Can any of you Hoss peeps post a picture of what VT looks like on the inside, or maybe give web address of a site that has screen shots?
Commodus
Here's what was posted a couple of weeks ago when we killed Aten Ha Ra the final boss of VT.
http://www.hossguild.com/forums/show...&threadid=4872
Turn off your monitor, or set your Gamma to 0, and you'll have what VT looks like. It is scary! I'd ask Grimthorn to hold me, but he's a marine, and will kick my ass.
Lol Andri
why is this 7 pages long :|
ATTENTION: i was kidding when i said i PLd Perriak to level 60. I thought it would be taken as a joke since i added a :D ;) at the end, but apparently not. I was informed a few minutes ago that perriak( who i have "known" for three years almost) was offended by me adding his name to use as an example and that i PLd him. If you actually believe i PLd perriak to 60 you are a momo(this to the ten year old immature moron who informed perriak i used his name like i was "trashing" it.)
You know, I never have quite figured out why it is that some people think it is so vile to cheer on those not in thier own guild and I for one am totally impressed with Eldiroth's creativity for inspiring others to shoot for higher goals! /cheer Eldiroth =)
Speaking as someone from a guild that has grown and blossomed into a family that I am very proud of, we are teetering on the edge of doing some very big mobs / zones (at least they are to us) and it is very encouraging when there are those out there who have accomplished the big stuff and then want to see others be successful too.
Now there are those who would argue that if you inspire others to be successful that you create more competition for yourself...well while this may be somewhat true...the effects of your actions generally bring about results that far outweigh a little healthy competition...guild alliances may be formed, friends gained, exchange of information that eases a mobs defeat, etc... So in essence I would say to those who think competition is a bad thing...be Proud that you were the FIRST to be successful, and be PROUDER still that you can and do lead others to follow your success.
Many thanks and kudos to Eldiroth and HOSS for your effort to raise the cap and keep up the good work guys =)
For those of you still out there looking to flame, you would have MUCH more fun playing this game if you learned to drop yer grudges, ask before assuming, and accept things in the spirit they are intended rather than seeking a dark and evil ulterior motive...
Erinonz
Bard of Hearts
Crystal Oracle
Quote:
Originally posted by Erinonz
For those of you still out there looking to flame, you would have MUCH more fun playing this game if you learned to drop yer grudges, ask before assuming, and accept things in the spirit they are intended rather than seeking a dark and evil ulterior motive...
Erinonz
Bard of Hearts
Crystal Oracle
/amen!
Saztin!
Speaking from my point of view, I think it would be stressful just getting to the point where VE would be in major competition with hoss.
I think the idea of actually getting to the point where Hoss would have serious competition is kinda unlikely also since Hoss is pretty far ahead of most guilds in strategy, equipment and overall skilled players.
For me, killing new things is what drives me to play. When you look at other guilds like they are competition for farming a particular mob, things get ugly fast. The offer of the cash is a nice gesture, but I personally would be going after AoW, HP, AL, THO, Grieg etc etc just for the glory of the kill (and of course the nice items, which are important for making the next steps).
BTW.. The thread on D-Ro will stay up until someone collects... I have no plat to contribute, but I'd like to do something to help the effort.
I hear VE is getting close, but I don't know who else is trying it.
-Grim
I keep seeing stuff about competing with Hoss and hearing it from various members of various guilds, and it makes me chuckle. =\
It's hard to compete with Hoss when I'd say most of the better players on the server don't really want to compete with them, they want to join them. That and luclin killed a majority of EQ off, competition will be pretty much nil till the game dies imo, unless PoP has moss snakes dropping VT style loot or something. The impressive thing about Hoss killing that Aten chick in VT isn't that they pulled off a server first or that they had so many well armed members or the dedication, it's that they sat through the key camps, the shard farming and the bane collecting just to go through what is considered by many to be a retardedly designed and boring zone. That is what impresses me about it, because I simply can't see no matter what the stuff drops spending that much time doing stuff I'd rather not in a game.
Not a jab or a retort or anything, it's just that unless you can seriously see yourself doing the camps intentionally and spending the hours and hours of boring camping, then competing with Hoss or any of the other "uber" guilds on the various servers is a joke. Luclin didn't really seperate the men from the boys, as it were, it just seperated the people who have different ideas about what a game should be from each other. Which accomplishes the same thing kinda, just in a seriously round-about way.
I dont see any other guilds on Dro entering VT personally, not because other guilds wont eventually have the skill to bring down Emp etc, but because the dedication/required investment of time just wont be there in light of PoP and the new content/mobs that will bring.
Lamaiel Gatekeeper
60 Wizzie
VE
Of course if PoP doesnt suck dick as well as Luclin does!
Not saying this in ANY condescending way. I dont see another guild on D Ro taking emperor for a LONG time. He is still Extremely hard mob to take down. Getting his room key isnt bad at all, dropping emperor is another. Have to have a tight crew of people that continuously play together to know each others play style and reactions to certain situations that might pop up etc etc. Emperor> Aten Ra. IMO
Emperor is hardest mob in Luclin as far as im concerned. and no, not because of the camps :p
Hah, take away the key camps and all that and I would personally guarantee that Emp would have guilds waiting to kill him every spawn. Simply because he would have more exposure, better strats would be developed (we all know that there is always more than one way to kill a given mob, and once the way is perfected it becomes a clockwork kill for every guild that can do it) and simple trial and error would eventually win through. The only way it wouldn't be that way is if Hoss pretended they were Vindi and killed it regardless of whether they needed it or not but simply to keep other guilds from learning how to kill it.
And believe it or not, this isn't an uninformed decision, over the 8 months or so I was a rep on the IGB and the dozens of conversations with various officers in Vindi, I am 100% certain this would be the reaction. With Vindication no longer a part of Druzzil Ro, this type of behaviour wouldn't happen, which is why I would say without doubt that the key quest is what keeps Emp from being killed routinely by guilds other than Hoss. I have heard quite a few things about "so and so mob is unkillable by anyone but us" relating to quite a few npcs in everquest, from the current uber guild at the time each npc was in contention. Seekers, Hoss, Vindication.. and every instance it has been proven wrong.
Now, if the fight is not about strategy (which can always be overcome with trial and error.. hell that's how people learn to kill it in the first place) but about the gear level of the people engaged in the fight, then I will without hesitation say that nobody but Hoss will ever kill emp, due to the fact that they have always been quite ahead of everyone else in the average level of equipment for their members. With the best equipped members of several guilds joining them, it will remain that way for a long time. For the more-uber-than-thou set, someone will always find a way to "gimp" an encounter or a zone, that's just how EQ works.
Hah, believe it or not this isn't a flame, I just remember hearing and reading similar arguements about Vyemm in NToV, about how only the uberest of uber would ever kill him. Fast forward to pre-root Vyemm, and I think there was 4 guilds on Druzzil that were whacking him every week, and about as many on every server where mobs weren't killed only to keep others from attempting it. No NPC is unkillable unless it's a gear thing. Of course if Emp requires 5 warriors with boc/hategiver or similar combos and rogues with primal+bane weapons and 6khp buffed monks or what have you then there isn't a question it would remain unkilled even if the key quest wasn't in place except by Hoss. But if it's a mere strategy thing, then just about everyone has a solid shot unless there's a sploit/"trick" that all the uberguilds are using or something equally ridiculous.
Jfc I type a lot of shit when I'm drunk. =/
I have the utmost respect for Q-ball as a chanter and as a player, but I will have to respectfully disagree with the assumption that the key quest doesn't play a major part in why Hoss is the only guild to kill emp as of yet.
Im not sure if the key quest plays that much of a part. A small role yes, but not the major one. AL despawns a lot, he requires 1 key and hes easier then emp. Equipment is definately what sets Hoss far ahead of any guild on the server. And I supose ambition in some cases.. Hoss made more attempts at harder mobs when they were moving up then VE/ML/NI have.
You seem to exactly share my point of view before I had fought the Emperor, Rezz. I thought it was the key camps that was the hard part, Emperor isn't really hard, how can he be hard when the key camps are that tedious?
Well, that's wrong, that's very wrong. Emperor *is* the hardest mob in the game, and I think the guilds that do have the capability of killing him go through the key camps, the guilds that doesn't have the capability of killing him doesn't. If the key camps were removed I doubt we'd see a difference at all, maybe he'd die on a few more servers, but noway in hell he'd die on Dro anytime soon.
It took us what, 15+ tries to get the strategy down for Emperor?
A few swedish friends on Saryrn are in an american guild there, they are working on Emperor, they asked for advice, which I gave them, hell, I gave away most of the Emperor fight to them. What happened? they died. They had over 70 people, 16 clerics, had the tactics pretty much handed to them, they still died. Emperor is NOT a walk in the park.
You still not convinced?
/Aedail
Well Rez, its an uninformed conclusion because you've never participated in the fight.
Or maybe I missed the part where AOW was constantly killed on our server. Or maybe those guilds just haven't figured out the key quest...