Wondering

if I was the only person booted from the private forums or if this was a mass blacklisting?

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Originally Posted by Thanapur

if I was the only person booted from the private forums or if this was a mass blacklisting?

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No private forums for you, come back ONE YEAR!

j/k Thana...I know I'd never kick such a cute druid out of my grove =\

<3 Thana

I removed people who have sold/given their characters out of guild to be more consistant (ie, some people who sold have lost access, others had not), now, most/all that sold out of guild have lost access.

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Originally Posted by Andaas

I removed people who have sold/given their characters out of guild to be more consistant (ie, some people who sold have lost access, others had not), now, most/all that sold out of guild have lost access.

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Is that some form of punishment or reprimand? And how is that consistent with your approach of considering the person beyond the pixels?

blame nallick :|

Up until this past weekend, many people who have gotten real-life financial gain from the raiding activities of this guild were treated the same as those who simply retired. What that ends up creating in the end is the feeling that when you retire, it is completely acceptable to sell your character for financial gain to everyone in this guild who helped you equip your character.

Many people in this guild would never sell their characters, as you even said in your post announcing that you were up for sale, that it came as quite a surprise to you, but you still did it.

I do have compassion for those who have had to sell their characters to survive - and I support those decisions, I would never expect someone to risk their ability to pay their bills over a stupid computer game account. I also respect people who have had to sell their accounts to break the addiction from the game. However, in both respects, it still isn't acceptable behaviour to the guild in general.

Selling your character now has the same price for everyone.

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Originally Posted by nwinn

blame nallick :|

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WTF! I had nothing to do with it. Even though I agree with Andaas 100%.

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Originally Posted by Andaas

Up until this past weekend, many people who have gotten real-life financial gain from the raiding activities of this guild were treated the same as those who simply retired. What that ends up creating in the end is the feeling that when you retire, it is completely acceptable to sell your character for financial gain to everyone in this guild who helped you equip your character.

Many people in this guild would never sell their characters, as you even said in your post announcing that you were up for sale, that it came as quite a surprise to you, but you still did it.

I do have compassion for those who have had to sell their characters to survive - and I support those decisions, I would never expect someone to risk their ability to pay their bills over a stupid computer game account. I also respect people who have had to sell their accounts to break the addiction from the game. However, in both respects, it still isn't acceptable behaviour to the guild in general.

Selling your character now has the same price for everyone.

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Everyone in this guild is involved in a symbiotic relationship. There's no way in hell I'd have gotten to do what I did without everyone else, and, likewise, they wouldn't have gotten there without me (Not me specifically, mind you. I'm not an egomaniac). The point is, like it or not, we need eachother.

Did you purchase Everquest and all expansions for me? Did you pay my monthly fees for three years? No, I didn't think so. After I have made my contributions and reaped my rewards, what I chose to do with the fruits of my labor is my business. We all know this game isn't going to last forever and punishing someone for finally finding happiness outside this game is deplorable.

If you want to excommunicate me from the community of this guild, then that's your prerogative. You still make the rules (I think). But please note, no characters were harmed when Thanapur left this game. And you better believe there were a dozen druids lined up to take her place.

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Originally Posted by nwinn

blame nallick :|

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Nallick as in the pendejo that whined about the cops being 'rude' to him when he fell asleep at the wheel and wrecked his car? That jerk put innocent people in danger.
He's lucky. I'd have plucked his eyes out so he'd never be able to drive again.



Oooooo you are right, Nallick.....hate IS fun!

Nor did anyone purchase EverQuest for me, or 7 expansion (6 expansions on a 2nd account). Nor the web space I pay for out of my own pocket, nor the forum software that I pay for, or the domain registration, etc.

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Originally Posted by Thanapur

Nallick as in the pendejo that whined about the cops being 'rude' to him when he fell asleep at the wheel and wrecked his car? That jerk put innocent people in danger.
He's lucky. I'd have plucked his eyes out so he'd never be able to drive again.



Oooooo you are right, Nallick.....hate IS fun!

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Not quite sure what I ever did to you but you sure have always been a total bitch to me. Glad you are gone. Fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Nallick

WTF! I had nothing to do with it. Even though I agree with Andaas 100%.

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You're a good scape-dwarf! :D

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Originally Posted by Andaas

Up until this past weekend, many people who have gotten real-life financial gain from the raiding activities of this guild were treated the same as those who simply retired. What that ends up creating in the end is the feeling that when you retire, it is completely acceptable to sell your character for financial gain to everyone in this guild who helped you equip your character.

Many people in this guild would never sell their characters, as you even said in your post announcing that you were up for sale, that it came as quite a surprise to you, but you still did it.

I do have compassion for those who have had to sell their characters to survive - and I support those decisions, I would never expect someone to risk their ability to pay their bills over a stupid computer game account. I also respect people who have had to sell their accounts to break the addiction from the game. However, in both respects, it still isn't acceptable behaviour to the guild in general.

Selling your character now has the same price for everyone.

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I love your logic Andaas, it's such complete utter bullshit.

I was in Hoss, and I helped create Hoss to what it was today. The amount of time I put into that guild is probably to this day more than 98% of the people in Hoss. And I'm confident to this day, I believe I had a strong impact on getting Hoss to where it is even at today.

Everything that I ever received from "Hoss" I worked my ass off for. It's not yours, it is not the guilds. It was worked for and mine, and no ones to say what I do with it because I earned it. You did not lend me the items, they were given to me for the work I've done.

And who is to say YOU have the right to remove my access to the private boards? It's not like I go posting my opinions in the private board all the time, as I don't play anymore I will not butt into the guilds business. But I played a big role in this guild, and see NO reason why my access should be removed.

I invested a great amount of time into the guild. I helped get it at where it is today. It was time for me to move on. Everything I had I worked for, AND MORE. I could have let my character rot, but chose not to. I sold it instead, woop de fucking do.

I look forward to a real explanation here. Because your reasonings for removing my access is utter bullshit. It's not like I used this guild in any shape or form.

You're no more entitled to post to these forums than we are to tell you you can't ebay.

You can ebay.
Andy can remove your access.

Shit happens.

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Originally Posted by Argonah

You're no more entitled to post to these forums than we are to tell you you can't ebay.

You can ebay.
Andy can remove your access.

Shit happens.

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Make some sense soon, twirp.

Andy can do whatever he wants. I also can come murder you, does that make it right? Nope.

The real issue comes down to this Drakky, should I revoke the access of someone who ebayed and did not contribute as much to the guild, and not revoke the access of someone who ebayed and contributed a great deal more during their time?

I have asked the active membership for their opinion on this topic today, as this thread has generated some discussion on it. Though I think that maybe a veteran's forum may be something we can all settle on as a place where everyone can get together.

The fact is, our private EverQuest discussion forums are intended primarily for discussing current issues relating to EverQuest.

The act of removing access this weekend is more of an attempt to discourage people from selling their characters, because it has become increasingly common over the past few months.

You are 100% right in that, nobody has any right to say what you can or cannot do with your account. You paid for it, you earned the gear on it - it is yours to do with as you please - however, that does not mean that the action of selling your character is going to make the people who have played this game by your side for months or years very happy. In fact, it sometimes leads to people feeling that they have been used.

So, this was my answer to the recent rash of people selling their characters. I stand by this decision, and will hold to this unless the current members of the guild feel differently.

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Originally Posted by Drakky

Make some sense soon, twirp.

Andy can do whatever he wants. I also can come murder you, does that make it right? Nope.

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What I wrote makes perfect sense, maybe you should read it again.
Twirp? Is this 6th grade?

Your analogy is extremely flawed, but I'm sure you knew that already.
Comparing an act of violence thats against the law to your access being removed from these forums is quite moronic.

Let me rephrase what I posted before in a way more understandable.

It's your perogative to ebay.
It's Andys perogative to remove ebayers access.
You argue that it's not right to have your access removed.
We argue that it's not right to ebay.
All or none of the above may be true, but since we don't have control over you ebaying, and you don't have control over keeping access or not, it makes it a bit of a moot point, doesn't it?

Can we not have this flame-fest drama again? Or shall we all prepare to have at each other till we get bored or it's dinner time or whatever... :rolleyes:

Yeah, lets not make this thread ugly now

UGLAH!http://www.antville.org/img/hurrlipurr/brazil.jpg

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Originally Posted by Andaas

The real issue comes down to this Drakky, should I revoke the access of someone who ebayed and did not contribute as much to the guild, and not revoke the access of someone who ebayed and contributed a great deal more during their time?

I have asked the active membership for their opinion on this topic today, as this thread has generated some discussion on it. Though I think that maybe a veteran's forum may be something we can all settle on as a place where everyone can get together.

The fact is, our private EverQuest discussion forums are intended primarily for discussing current issues relating to EverQuest.

The act of removing access this weekend is more of an attempt to discourage people from selling their characters, because it has become increasingly common over the past few months.

You are 100% right in that, nobody has any right to say what you can or cannot do with your account. You paid for it, you earned the gear on it - it is yours to do with as you please - however, that does not mean that the action of selling your character is going to make the people who have played this game by your side for months or years very happy. In fact, it sometimes leads to people feeling that they have been used.

So, this was my answer to the recent rash of people selling their characters. I stand by this decision, and will hold to this unless the current members of the guild feel differently.

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You are looking at this very one sided. Yes people help you get your items, BUT you also help OTHERS get their items too. How can someone feel used when you also helped them get their items???

Whatever, I just think it's pathetic you take away someones access after like 4 years. I didn't do jack shit wrong. If you want to punish the people for now on that ebay, that's your choice. If I remember correctly you didn't care that oldschool people kept access to the boards, because you still considered many friends. Now if they were butting into the guilds business I'd understand you taking away their access. Other than that... I don't see any reason why.

But it's your choice... I don't hang around much anymore anyways... I just find it sad to take away my access after so long and so much investment into the guild. I won't be visiting anymore since I'm not "welcome".

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Originally Posted by Argonah

What I wrote makes perfect sense, maybe you should read it again.
Twirp? Is this 6th grade?

Your analogy is extremely flawed, but I'm sure you knew that already.
Comparing an act of violence thats against the law to your access being removed from these forums is quite moronic.

Let me rephrase what I posted before in a way more understandable.

It's your perogative to ebay.
It's Andys perogative to remove ebayers access.
You argue that it's not right to have your access removed.
We argue that it's not right to ebay.
All or none of the above may be true, but since we don't have control over you ebaying, and you don't have control over keeping access or not, it makes it a bit of a moot point, doesn't it?

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Yeah, ok. I don't even know you. I don't think you were even around to see how much time I invested into Hoss. I really don't give a shit about your view on it seeing as how you weren't even around to see why I'm arguing this.

I don't think you should have any say on this at all, seeing as how you weren't around when I was. You may have say on it from this-point-on. But I see no reason why your opinion should hold any weight what-so-ever in my case.

Because I'm an active member of this guild who hasn't ebayed his account.

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And my contribution to this guild isn't something I'm interested in comparing with yours. It's simply not relevant.
I'm posting on this subject because I agree wholeheartedly with the policy being enforced that if you ebay, you don't get to hang around and be "part of the family" anymore.
My opinion over things past and present is just as valid as anyone elses, especially since it's about a subject in the here and now. I haven't and won't comment on something that happened 4 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Andaas

The act of removing access this weekend is more of an attempt to discourage people from selling their characters, because it has become increasingly common over the past few months.

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EQ is ending. Countless new games like CoH, WoW, Vanguard, even EQ2 are going to see to that. You think you are going to discourage people from doing whatever they feel is right for them as it ends? I imagine you could kidnap an "ebayer's" cat, skin it, and hang it from a tree and that STILL wouldn't discourage people from selling their account if they so chose when they are ready.

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You are 100% right in that, nobody has any right to say what you can or cannot do with your account. You paid for it, you earned the gear on it - it is yours to do with as you please - however, that does not mean that the action of selling your character is going to make the people who have played this game by your side for months or years very happy. In fact, it sometimes leads to people feeling that they have been used.

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So instead, when we no longer log in for 5-6 hours a night and do the same shit over and over again, we are cast out? We are no longer able to wish people a good time on their vacations or laugh at Peotr's posts? Really... who's using whom here?

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Originally Posted by Drakky

I won't be visiting anymore since I'm not "welcome".

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It's been made clear that General Access = access to everyone playing and NOT playing the game.

Private = to those currently guilded with Hoss and are playing everquest.
From what has been explained to me and my understanding is...

Selling your toon no matter what the situation is, means you do not have a right in the private section. why? Definition of "private" stated above.



Anyways...what can you do in private that you can't do in general?

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Is that some form of punishment or reprimand? And how is that consistent with your approach of considering the person beyond the pixels?

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IN-Game - the toon matters as much as the person behind it.

And by the way..that approach isn't and hasn't been about the person behind the toon, since if it was, I would have been allowed to rejoin with my ranger.


You could just do what you do best, try and cyber your way back in ;)

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Originally Posted by Argonah

Because I'm an active member of this guild who hasn't ebayed his account.

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And my contribution to this guild isn't something I'm interested in comparing with yours. It's simply not relevant.
I'm posting on this subject because I agree wholeheartedly with the policy being enforced that if you ebay, you don't get to hang around and be "part of the family" anymore.
My opinion over things past and present is just as valid as anyone elses, especially since it's about a subject in the here and now. I haven't and won't comment on something that happened 4 years ago.

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HAHAHA...

Good, live up to what you said then. Butt out of my business, because I've had access for years and everyone at the current time did not care that I had access, infact I'm sure many were happy I still kept in contact.

I'll say this. You have the right to enforce whatever is going on in the guild today. But don't try to give me your opinion on this matter when I've had access for years and I don't know anyone that actually didn't like me having access.

New members join the guild and all of a sudden have the right in saying I shouldn't have access anymore, years later!? Give me a break! You weren't even around when I ebayed, everyone that was around didn't mind me having access. Here you join the guild, years later and you think that I shouldn't be able to have access!? HA...

Yup, that about sums it up.

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Originally Posted by Rayena

It's been made clear that General Access = access to everyone playing and NOT playing the game.

Private = to those currently guilded with Hoss and are playing everquest.
From what has been explained to me and my understanding is...

Selling your toon no matter what the situation is, means you do not have a right in the private section. why? Definition of "private" stated above.



Anyways...what can you do in private that you can't do in general?






IN-Game - the toon matters as much as the person behind it.

And by the way..that approach isn't and hasn't been about the person behind the toon, since if it was, I would have been allowed to rejoin with my ranger.


You could just do what you do best, try and cyber your way back in ;)

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I don't even know you either. You don't know what was said in the past.

IT WAS MADE CLEAR IN THE PAST, THAT MEMBERS WOULD KEEP THEIR ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE BOARDS. THE TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND NO ONE CARED.

Shows how much you know.

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Originally Posted by Drakky

I don't even know you either. You don't know what was said in the past.

IT WAS MADE CLEAR IN THE PAST, THAT MEMBERS WOULD KEEP THEIR ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE BOARDS. THE TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND NO ONE CARED.

Shows how much you know.

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Notice the bold that I highlighted? members. the moment you ebayed, you weren't a MEMBER anymore.

And Guess what? Someone did care and changed the rules. Cry some more.


So I guess, shows how much you know..

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Originally Posted by Argonah

Yup, that about sums it up.

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Oh? Why should you have any say in this matter? I don't give a rats ass if you're an active member now, you weren't then. And it was discussed then that access and it wouldn't be removed. Here you join the guild and you say remove it? Ha... you got to be kidding me.

If this is how all the Hoss members are now, it's turned into a pathetic guild. Someone like you would have never gotten into the guild as long as I was around.

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Originally Posted by Rayena

Notice the bold that I highlighted? members. the moment you ebayed, you weren't a MEMBER anymore.

And Guess what? Someone did care and changed the rules. Cry some more.


So I guess, shows how much you know..

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You're digging yourself a grave here sport. Let's see if I can sink this into your skull...

It was brought up before if we should let members keep access to the private boards. And NO ONE CARED. ALL of a sudden new people join the guild and they think they can take away access from people they don't even know??

Like Andaas said, he removed access from people that have Ebayed just to discourage it in the future, what the fuck does that have to do with the past!?!?

Are you trying to be this stupid or what?

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Like Andaas said, he removed access from people that have Ebayed just to discourage it in the future

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He got tired of it and CHANGED the rules for EVERYONE! FROM NOW ON....You did or thinking about it = BYE BYE Private forum ACCESS

what is so hard to understand?



if you need a minute for it to compute, please take it..

Old members know this is extremely disrespectful I'm sure. And I don't even know whos around anymore, but anyone old-school I'm sure isn't happy with removing someones access like mine.

I won't be hanging around anymore.

To this day I still talk to many old-school people from Hoss. Infact today I talked to one that's laughing at this matter, because it's so pathetic. You won't see me wearing this Hoss tag in any other game I ever play again, due to it being over-ran by idiots and a disrespectful leader when I played one of the major roles in the guild for YEARS.

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Oh? Why should you have any say in this matter? I don't give a rats ass if you're an active member now, you weren't then. And it was discussed then that access and it wouldn't be removed. Here you join the guild and you say remove it? Ha... you got to be kidding me.

If this is how all the Hoss members are now, it's turned into a pathetic guild. Someone like you would have never gotten into the guild as long as I was around.

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I have a say in the matter because I'm a member of Hoss.
Btw, you seem to be under the impression that simply because I agree that ebayers shouldn't have access, that it was my idea. That wasn't the case, and I don't think (I'm not sure, honestly) that this issue was brought up by one of the "new" members you so despise. I'm not sure how or why this issue came to light, but I do like the policy and I do stand behind Andy 100%.

I only wish all Hoss members were like me.
Completely opposed to ebaying, maintaining near to 100% attendance since the day they joined, playing their class to the best of their ability... It'd be a dream come true! =P

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ALL of a sudden new people join the guild and they think they can take away access from people they don't even know??

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Andaas is new people? He's the one who made the initial decision, and quite frankly it's his sandbox to make the rules in, or change them as he sees fit.

Personally, I *support* him in his decision, and in him being able to choose how he wishes to run his message board.

As well, I personally don't care if the eBayers have access to the private forums or not.

You can always show him up though, and make a new eBayed ex-Hoss message board, and deny access to the private section from all active non-eBayed current Hoss people.

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Originally Posted by Drakky

It was brought up before if we should let members keep access to the private boards. And NO ONE CARED. ALL of a sudden new people join the guild and they think they can take away access from people they don't even know??

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Drakky, in the past members discussed and voted on lots of things that have no relevance now. The fact is Hoss is about the current active membership. It's got nothing to do with those of us who're no longer active. Maybe it sucks but that's how it is. Our past votes have nothing to do with what they decide now or tomorrow or the day after. The current membership has decided to remove private access to those who've eBayed or given their accounts to people outside of the guild. That is their perogative, whether those of us who are no longer active like it or not. It has nothing to do with fairness or senority or whatever... it's simply their guild now. They get to make the rules.

Let's not have a flame fest over it.

Calling Andy disrespectful is outright insanity...
He's probably the nicest guy I've ever met in EQ.

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Originally Posted by Argonah

Calling Andy disrespectful is outright insanity...
He's probably the nicest guy I've ever met in EQ.

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Couldn't agree more.

I have to say im quite happy Ebayers have had their access removed. I had been under the impression that was the way we were doing things. After reading this thread I must say I am really glad some people no longer have access.

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To this day I still talk to many old-school people from Hoss. Infact today I talked to one that's laughing at this matter, because it's so pathetic. You won't see me wearing this Hoss tag in any other game I ever play again, due to it being over-ran by idiots and a disrespectful leader when I played one of the major roles in the guild for YEARS.

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Exploiting mobs, getting us guild warnings and forming cliques certainly were major roles, but not productive ones! You were a better warrior then you were a guildmate.

If you want to play the HOSS newb card I will be more then happy to talk of the uber pre-Drakky days. HOSS was the best guild around before and after your day, I wouldn't want you to strain yourself patting your back.

Haha