I'm sure the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians and 1000+ american troops that died for Bush's lies are turning over on their graves because of your short sighted stupidity.
Maybe the Bush fans can bring Hitler back to life and give him a second chance, too.
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I'm sure the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians and 1000+ american troops that died for Bush's lies are turning over on their graves because of your short sighted stupidity.
Maybe the Bush fans can bring Hitler back to life and give him a second chance, too.
Wow.... are you fucking serious comparing Bush to Hitler? Bush may be a fucking idiot but hes not Hitler. I didnt support either candaite, not like it matters if both states I could have voted in (NH or MA) both were won by Kerry.
Im really sick of this Bush is like Hitler bullshit, because hes not.
IS TOO!!!!11 fd
58,917,663 Hitler fans...hmmmm
Let see what U.S. troops say... I know 6 of personally who fought current war and all em voted for Bush...
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ROFL Tilea! :eek: :eek: :eek: :p
Lighten up people... it's funny!
You won, have some :cake:
I have to agree with Dibbs, most of my friends that are still in Iraq or still in the military want Bush as Pres. I lost a really good friend in Ramadi, and I am most certain he didnt turn over in his grave.
Meh, this is about what I expected! I guess I just have a low opinion of the American electorate :D.
100,000 civilians? Last I heard from a news source the total number of Iraqi casualties including military was only around 25,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilea
P.S. How many countless future Iraqi's will THANK us for freeing them from the Regime of Sadaam Hussein and his tyrant sons? It sounds like you're the one being more short sighted here.
P.P.S Here's a link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3223523.stm that talks about some casualty figures from the major operations portion of the war. At that point the figures were only somewhere around 13,000 total Iraqi's killed. There is no way the total could be anything near your outrageous 100,000 comment. Then there's another article/website http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ that estimates around 16,000 right now.
Is this the link you referenced? http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596 . If so, it's a tiny sample size, and I have trouble believing you can just extraploate death counts from 1000 households to an entire country. For one, military action is not consistent across the entire region.
This is all the South's fault (they are the ones that voted for him). I wonder if they'd accept an offer to let them go ahead and secede like they wanted to 150 years ago, so they can stop electing idiots to run our country.
From how things looked, all you had on either side to vote for were idiots. Either way you were fucked with no free dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrith
Man, I typed about a 1000 word reply to this post, but in the end I decided it wasn't even worth it. I can sum it up in much shorter words. Tilea your an idiot,
you have no basis for the figures you put up and just called almost 60 million people stupid due to fact that they didn't believe in all the propaganda you read or see. So I guess I am stupid cause I will proudly state it..I voted for Bush and I was not going to gloat, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA he won.
If I told you once, I've told you a BILLION times.. Never exaggerate!
People really let the ABB mentality get the best of them. They picked a candidate on the basis of his not being a spawn of Barbara Bush and not on his merits as a candidate. They further drowned out all rational criticism of Bush with the continious hysterical screed of "Hitler" and "killing brown people." The noise in this case drowned out the signal. Not to mention that the American people are famously stuborn; when told not to do something many Americans will do just the opposite to spite you, especially if it comes from a foreigner.
This is the second straight election the Dems ran on hate and lost. The price they pay for not learning from the 2002 mid-terms is the Presidency, 4-6 seats in the House, 4 seats in the Senate and maybe as many as 3 Supreme Court seats. Quite the price for hubris. I sincerely hope the Dems MoveOn, get over this and make a strong showing in 2006 or they may render themselves irrelevant at the national level. They really do need to retool, because I don't want America to become a 1 party nation.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...ths041028.html
This is most likely what Tilea was talking about, it was in the news last week. The methodology they used has been used in the past in Kosovo, and was relatively accurate. It isn't some pie in the sky guess, nor is it going to be totally accurate. Excluding Fallujah from the data, they figure the number is around 100,000. Include Fallujah and it jumps to 200,000. The researchers admit that it is not an incredibly accurate number, however it's virtually impossible to come up with one with the current conditions anyway.
This was also published in a respected, peer-reviewed medical journal. It's not Michael Moore, some hospitial records and a calculator. Even if it's not incredibly accurate, I think it's going to be in the ball park. It certainly seems within the realm of reason, if there's been 1100+ US soldiers killed.
1000 households is not a tiny sample size. Every time a poll is brought up over on Druzzil Ro, someone invariable says something along the lines of "they only polled 1500 people, that doesn't represent the nation!" Well guess what, established science says it does, within a margin of error that they calculate. Again, it's difficult to do any sort of representative sampling or polling in Iraq, and there will be some inaccuracy, but the 800 or so households is more than enough to at least give a rough estimate, which the researchers admit it is.Quote:
If so, it's a tiny sample size, and I have trouble believing you can just extraploate death counts from 1000 households to an entire country. For one, military action is not consistent across the entire region.
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Fuck you Tilea. I vote my convictions. It's my right to choose who I wish when I wish. You have NO right whatsoever to call ME (a Bush supporter) out like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilea
Actually.. there's not a damn thing funny about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinilaa
Actually, she does. Whether you like it or not, the person sitting in the Oval office will effect her as well. She just doesn't get a say in the matter except on websites like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elidroth
That remains to be seen....this is the Middle East after all. Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan all had our help at one point or another and we eventually ended up at odds with their governments. And really, the whole Iraq will thank us talk, was the back-up arguement in case we didn't find wmd. A better planned attack and had we been able to go in sooner would have been better. The "Hey, we're gonna attack in, ohhh, two months" didn't help us but helped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maegwin
On a brighter note, based on conversations I've had today, the economy is shaping up to give us good solid single-digit returns through the next year and possibly in the 1-3 year range. Despite the recent enegy price spike, a recession isn't likely to hit for another 8 to 12-months, if it does in fact materialize. Since the 1970's, a recession has hit just after a major spike in energy prices. If the dollar goes down, which it's expected to do, it will promote domestic spending and foreign investing.
From the foreign ploicy stand point, this article (posted in antother thread) seems to be the general thinking of most I talked to today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6398886/site/newsweek/
“For my safety, I know he’s the one who’s going to do the job,” retiree Rebecca Lesko said after voting for Bush in Linwood, N.J. “I think (Osama) bin Laden is scared of Bush. That’s why we haven’t been bombed yet.”
This kinda talk really scares me. People are really need to pull their head out. Airports are no safer now then they were then. The only thing that has changed is that everyone gets to smell my stinky-ass feet. You honestly think the $9.00/hr slobs sitting there is some expert? With the incredible short training they have? You should try flying out of LAX, you'll see what I mean. And the wonderful Air Marshal program scares me as well. And it's really short-sighted considering the terrorist don't have to leave the middle-east to kill large amounts of Americans anymore.
But all of this is contradicted by our friends at the PNAC...You know, the group that Rumsfeld belongs to.
"This includes doggedly pushing plans to try to transform Iraq into a democracy and making good on a pledge that Iran should never be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
Schmitt said the Iran pledge may ultimately require using force. For the moment, Bush is geared toward a Nov. 25 deadline for persuading the U.N. nuclear agency to send the issue to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions."
Too late on the "Iran should never be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons" part I hear...but oh well...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6402195/
Funny, no one mentioned this little point during the debates or before the election. Wonder how many Republicans would have voted different had this little gem been out there. "Hey, btw, we'll be in Iran next, thanks for the vote."
Also found this interesting....
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6393501/
A top French general told a visiting retired U.S. Army officer last spring, “Even if our policy here changed 180 degrees and the president (of France) came to us and said, ‘What can we do for Iraq?’ I have troops in Haiti, in the Ivory Coast, in the Horn of Africa, in the Balkans, in Afghanistan. I’m having difficulty meeting these commitments. The notion that we or the Germans can give you 50,000 troops, even together, is just not realistic.”
The dollar is at its weakest against the Euro than anytime since the EU started. Go figure/shrug
/shrug Bush won. The people have spoken. With that being said....
Bitch at the image.
http://img42.exs.cx/img42/5192/bush5.gif
Yeah, I dunno...that's what I was told. Not sure what they were comparing it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qaediin
Yeah...but sometimes I would who we really did vote for. I keep getting the impression he's actually a PNAC puppet. /shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Stacked
I could have just said what was on my mind, but I went for the
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Grats on the win for censorship, big brother, big business, the wealth gap, less rights, bad science, homophobia, the union of church and state, and war over false pretense.
Wheres a good place to live in Canada?
Sorry - no exagerations. It was an american organization (I forget the name, some american health something or other) that said the death toll of unnecessary (ie non military) casualties in Iraq is now around 100,000. What, you really think the US is dropping precision bombs that are only hitting what they're supposed to? The US bombed canadian troops in Afghan for no reason. They also shot down a British plane in Iraq. And you find it hard to believe that iraqi civilians are dying by the tens of thousands?
They bomb when and where they want and yes, according to a US SOURCE, 100,000 Iraqi's that deserved that no less than the americans in NY did are now dead. Yes, it really sucked that 3000 americans died on that day. But what did it mean to Bush? Yippe me I can invade Iraq now, daddy will be so proud! I'll just lie about WMD and ties to al queda!!! Yay!!
How many Iraqi's will thank the US for what they did in the future? Quite honestly, in my opinion - none. They didn't want to be saved. They're actually sick and fucking tired of the US coming over and bombing the shit out of their neighbourhoods. Take a look at what is really happening over there. Dead US soldiers being towed behind cars in the streets and hung from street posts. I'm sorry, but they're not grateful. And for what? What is Iraq all about? Oil, greed and lies. It's not even about 9/11, Bush was told by his own people that Iraq had nothing to do with it.
Is Bush the same as Hitler? No, of course not. But he's the worst thing since, and some of you actually support that.
I found a link to the 100,000 thing, just in case you really thought I grabbed that number out of the air..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...338749,00.html
ead bush supporters. thx.
ahh I see where you get your information now. I understand why you think such crap. The guardian is one of the most Anti-bush, anti-iraq, anti-american organizations out there. They actually had the gaul to call for the assassination of Bush, if any American news organization had done the same thing to Blair the US and Britian would probably be at war.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
That link is also from an Anti-bush site, but at least they are being realistic.
Let's also say just for arguments sake that the casualties were 100k, they are not that high, but just to argue. Let's ask the 400k people we have found in mass graves if they think what the US is doing in Iraq is right, oh thats right we cant ask them, Saddam killed them.
Uhhhhmmmm, the Euro? :D Not sure what you mean with that. Just to give a little bit of an example, about a year and a half ago when the CDN dollar was at it's lowest against the US, it was worth about 62 cents or so. Right now it's just a touch under 83 cents, and it's setting 12 to 13 year highs every week or two. The last time the Canadian dollar was worth the same or more than the US dollar was, you guessed it, Vietnam.Quote:
Yeah, I dunno...that's what I was told. Not sure what they were comparing it too.
So basically, you're saying the US is only 1/4 as evil as Saddam? Score!Quote:
Let's also say just for arguments sake that the casualties were 100k, they are not that high, but just to argue. Let's ask the 400k people we have found in mass graves if they think what the US is doing in Iraq is right, oh thats right we cant ask them, Saddam killed them.
Pretty much anywhere, depends on your taste! Get a job with Bioware and move to Edmonton!Quote:
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Not sure on the accuracy of this, but it made me laugh!
I've been told it's accurate, but I haven't researched the issue.
http://www.eluid.org/index.php?goto=voting
Also interesting...
http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/1152
And...
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?di...at=ALL&tab=ALL
Thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed in the U.S. government’s newest military adventure — estimates, difficult or impossible to independently verify due to chaos inside Iraq, range from 7,000 to 10,000 dead innocents. Add the number of Iraqi forced conscripts who died in battle, and the number climbs dramatically higher.Quote:
The US bombed canadian troops in Afghan for no reason. They also shot down a British plane in Iraq. And you find it hard to believe that iraqi civilians are dying by the tens of thousands?
Aradil, you really need to learn to read below the headlines and first few lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aradil
The Guardian didn't do the survey just reported a survey.
"The research was led by Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore."
Maybe you can give Les Roberts a call and ask him about it.
Iraqbodycount.net, as I understand, only shows the numbers reported in the media so I would question it being too realistic.
You did say this on another board right Eli?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elidroth
What exactly makes what she said wrong and what you said OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elidroth
I would call for calm but I think people need to work out their frustrations on this, me included.
Bush gives turds a bad name. The man is stupid, and I don't just mean Wal-Mart patron stupid I mean lacking-in-that-warm-wet-light-in-his-eyes-that-most-humans-have stupid. I inwardly cringe whenever I see him speaking in public and actually cover my eyes when I see that he's about to address foreigners. It's bad enough to do it in front of us but don't make the rest of us look like retards to the entire world.
Bush is two faced. Kerry was accused of being a flip-flopper but damn if Bush doesn't take the cake. We need a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and civil unions, but I'm not opposed to civil unions and never have been even though I did just say that. I don't want to be a nation-builder, well except in Iraq. The terrorists hate the freedoms we enjoy, so let's create laws that let us monitor what you read and wire tap your house with no warrants. We are going to find the people who knocked down these tower and bring them to justice, but I don't know where Bin Laden is and I don't care, what I never said that I didn't know where he was and that I didn't care we are firmly committed to his capture. We are going to restore integrity to the White House, Ok Cheney call your friends for a huge energy conference but keep the proceedings secret, Powell take this grad students report from 1994 and use it as the basis for our reason to invade Iraq, Rummy set up secret prisons at US military bases around the world so we can hold people we capture and never charge them. We are winning the war on terrorism and America is safer, even though we haven't made any convictions, we managed to increase recruiting of terrorist organizations, and numerous people are sneaking box cutters past our security just to show they can.
The emperor isn't just naked, he's a gibbering feces throwing monkey.
As Forty said, the actual Iraqi casualties of 100,000 were calculated by an independant, US lead team - not some anti-bush site. The Anti-Bush sites are just all too happy to post those results.
I understand people find it hard to believe that the war in Iraq has killed so many civilians, I do too. But it's true. Your man, your president, launched a war on Iraq for reasons that did not exist. They lied because they had a personal agenda in that country and it has killed 100,000 people JUST like you and me. People who were just living out their lives, bothering nobody.
If I was a Bush supporter, I wouldn't want to believe that either. And now you've given him another 4 years.
I noticed something hilarious yesterday, but it got changed. If you went to CNN's site and went to an election link, there was this picture of bush and laura. If you chose to save the image, it said "asshole.jpg".
Around 6 hours later it said "bushlaura47" or something or other. Damn it!
If you don't believe me...
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/
This rules
I've watched this like 5 times, it just rocks on so many levels
Comedy gold
You really need to get a grasp on reality, there was this thing called the Holocaust over 1 million jews were executed, not killed or died in battle....EXECUTED. I dont care how you slice it you may think a death is a death but to me execution is a whole fucking lot different then dying in battle. We have not executed people in iraq (well now i cant in good conscious say that w/out the doubt that something on some battle field might have been a shady killing, it happens) but we sure as fuck havent executed people and everyone knew about it, let alone 1 million. How many people do you think Saddam had executed, what about castro. What you seem to realize is that Bush has never executed people like those names ive stated, you see if he did that we could have him jailed, you try jailing a dicator for having people murdered and you will end up being one of the ones executed.
Viet Nam was alot fucking worse then this war, can you tell me why we were there (if your going to look it up, please try and distinquish between the lies, truths and political reasons that are real and fake, cause they existed with that war just as much as this war) the casuality numbers in that war is just a tad bit bigger oh and they have a fucking wall that prooves the numbers, we had as much right to be there as we do in Iraq, yet bush is so bad, get a fucking clue.
on a side note, ive said i dont support bush or kerry and i believed no matter who won we all lose, however comparing him to hitler and or saying he is the worse thing since is sheer fucking stupidity.
Many places are decent, our politician's suck aswell though.Quote:
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I think one of the reasons for the Hitler comparisons is the depleted uranium issue in Iraq, which many studies have shown have been responsible for raising radiation levels there to the point where it may not be possible for people to live (or fight) in Iraq for much longer. Already, some countries are considering pulling out (or not sending additional troops) because their soldiers are becoming sick...so you have to wonder about the poor people who are stuck living there (you know, the ones Bush is trying to save).
So, in effect, we've invaded a foreign country against the will of the United Nations (invoking the wrath of the world), killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and polluted the country to the extent that it is no longer safe to live there (but it's still safe to take the oil).
I still don't think the Hitler comparison is appropriate, myself. Hitler was motivated by hatred. Bush, and the people who control him, are motivated by greed.
HOLY SHIT!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilea
They shot down all of one coalition plane??? /gasp One bomb went astray??? OMG!
The first year of OEF, we dropped over 25,000 bombs and flew over 50,00 mission. One bomb goes astray and one friendly aircraft is shot down (which was their own fault). Fuck me! That makes Bush a Hitler warmonger all of a sudden?
You want a comparison, look at Korea, Vietnam, or WWII and tell me how many friendly fire casualties we had. Did that make those presidents at that time Hitlers?
I've been to Afghanistan and Iraq and I voted for Bush. There's was no question. We didn't need a weak, limp wristed, fair weather opinion president in office... which is all I saw out of Kerry (who looks like Herman Munster).