If you have no god then by default anyone elses must trump his non-existent butt yes?
If you have no god then by default anyone elses must trump his non-existent butt yes?
actually, if you dont have a god, i will declare war on you until my god is your god!
PS: I believe in pandaism , my god is a giant panda that comes to eat the earth in 2012.
They use cells from humans to do that. It's impressive but it still isn't taking something from complete scratch (molecules), and making a tree!Originally Posted by Parak
Maybe someday the lint in my pocket will turn into something magically but until that point I'll believe it was created/engineered/designed by "something".
Ain
Ain
No, it just means that my god can never be trumped!
That's right Forty... FEAR ME!
You all know its true.... MAN created god!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1204080856.htm
Old article, but it's a fairly prevalent theory today. It's enough to fund expeditions to Mars to find water and geothermal vents. Are we alone?? ::cues X-Files music::
Talas Pennysnatcher
God is an all mighty, all knowing omnipotent "being". So being that as it may, it should be possible for this entity to create a stone so heavy that even "he" cannot lift it. If god can create such thing and thus not be able to lift it, than "he" is not omnipotent. If "he" cannot create this so called unliftable stone than again "he" is not omnipotent. Such a conundrum. How can such a power over all things exist? Just some food for thought. I knew this would turn to religion. Like Vega said its the obvious choice for new discussion. El Oh El
Ive always wanted my signature to be the one it is now, but it would not fit within the 500 character limit. So I took out all periods and the authors name....It just barely fits. Its Albert Einstein. One of the greatest minds ever to grace our earth. Curiously he was a religious man.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." A. Einstein
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A human being is a part of a whole_universe_a part limited in time and space He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest A kind of optical delusion of his consciousness This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty
LOL talas
Ain
I'm voting for Angelie and Renshin as his running mate! MOOO!!
MadNess is the gift that has been given to me.
Clearly Nexten/Draecco is the smarter choice..Sexhancement for 2008!!
Actually Octavius that argument is supposed to be a logic riddle the problem is it has an inherent fallacy built into it which means the conclusion can be anything. So God is all powerful, thus he can create a stone he cannot lift. Therefore the conclusion is he makes himself stronger and lifts it.
How can an all powerfull being become more all powerful? Infinity cannot be larger than it already is.
A human being is a part of a whole_universe_a part limited in time and space He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest A kind of optical delusion of his consciousness This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty
Infinity already implies that it is unbounded and thus nothing is greater in number, because it encompasses all numbers. If you think of Omnipotent, it is very similar and thus cannot be trumped. This is an excercise in futility, but discussion is what a forum is all about.
A human being is a part of a whole_universe_a part limited in time and space He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest A kind of optical delusion of his consciousness This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty
That's the point Oct infinity is infinite. Your argument is putting a limit on it by its very nature and thus opens the door for limitless possibilities.
No the limit is that it's a rock HE CANNOT LIFT, so no matter how strong he makes himself he still CANNOT LIFT IT!
Otherwise it'd be the "rock that he could lift if he made himself strong enough", but it's not.
The point is that you are breaking a law of logic by stating something as infinite and then putting a limit on it.
Logic? Wait a second...
This was supposed to be a thread about politics (and morphed into political/religious). What made you think logic has *ANYTHING* to with it?
Because the old God can't make something he can't lift is based on a traditional logic argument with a built in fallacy. Proving that I did learn something in the logic class I was forced to take 7 years ago.
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