Rift

[Andaas]

We obviously aren't locked to this server; I think the demand for the head start was more than anyone expected between players *and* Trion. Demand will taper over the coming days, keep in mind, they have opened over 15 new servers in the US alone since the head start began at 10.

I have to agree with many of the public posts on the subject, in that I personally believe that launching with a default count of servers and then growing *as needed* is far healthier than simply launching servers willy-nilly. If they just started with 50 servers for the US; they would probably be merging/condensing server populations within the first 6 weeks.

[Rhedd]

I would completely agree with that other than they new how many pre-orders they had. So why not release at least enough servers to handle everyone of those. That way, yes people won't spread themselves out equally, but once it goes life the new people will filll in those spots /shrug.

I'm up for staying or moving.

[Wresh]

Not like any of us are in the level 30+ range yet, so if we do decide to move let's do it soon rather than wait.

[Rhedd]

I'd say lets wait till at least tomorrow morning, see what the queues are still like and decide from there?

[Stosh]

I can't imagine they are going to make the same mistake Warhammer made by launching 60 servers due to initial demand, and then be faced with the prospect of 60 empty servers in 2 months and massive server merges. Nothing says failure like server merges in a new game. They are also artificially capping server populations to ensure non head start people can still play with their friends once the game officially releases.

Yeah, the 900 person queue sucks, but hardly unexpected.

[Torrid]

Ok we get it dude....you don't like Rift..

You know I pity the new generation of MMOG players WoW brought in. They don't realize they are living in a dark age and that the Rome that is EQ was once the golden age of MMORPGs and offered far superior gameplay.

It's okay though. Project 1999 is free. You high school and college age kids can afford it. Give it a try son. The few people I saw in the game that hadn't played EQ before kept playing it long after I saw them whine in OOC about how hard the game was.

Oh, and I'm not singling out Rift, dude. I hardly mentioned Rift. Do pay attention to the conversation.

[Lonskils]

You know I pity the new generation of MMOG players WoW brought in. They don't realize they are living in a dark age and that the Rome that is EQ was once the golden age of MMORPGs and offered far superior gameplay.

It's okay though. Project 1999 is free. You high school and college age kids can afford it. Give it a try son. The few people I saw in the game that hadn't played EQ before kept playing it long after I saw them whine in OOC about how hard the game was.

Oh, and I'm not singling out Rift, dude. I hardly mentioned Rift. Do pay attention to the conversation.

Whoa Whoa Whoa there Torrid. I seem to remember you dropping EQ as soon as you got into WoW beta. Many of us did though, so not singling you out. Just saying, WoW wasn't the craptastic spectacle it is now when it went live. Before they started moving toward the casual crowd and making everything accessible from day one.

Many of us just do not have the time in the day to play something that takes that much time anymore. More power to anyone that does though. I like Rift because you can actually fear dying while leveling up for a change. I loved EQ, I can wax nostalgic with the best of them. But that was a different era, where graphics didn't matter as much as the community you built from forced grouping. I miss it in a lot of ways. But I never really want to go back to having to sit around soloing or quad kiting mobs due to no groups.

I will say I do not miss corpse runs naked that took hours and hours out of actual game play. While it did make folks pay attention and I still look back in awe that we did this sans Ventrillo or any real communication method except what EQ gave us. If EQ could upgrade their graphics I imagine they would get a lot more players btw.

[Syana]

Farming Lowerguk for FBSS. Fun.

Farming Lowerguk King room with 3 people at level 50. Awesome.

Sitting with my face in the spellbook to regen mana, FU!!!

[Lonskils]

Hey, I'm down to 53 minutes. I may get to create a toon tonight! And yeah Syana. The worst was if you didn't have the sound on... Some mob would come up and beat your ass before you could even react. Ahhhh.... the good ole days. NOT!

[Rhedd]

37th in queue! 4 minutes to go

[Lonskils]

37th in queue! 4 minutes to go

I may fall asleep before I even get in lol

[Zappo]

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I'm going to tie a few posts together and keep on the rift topic!

The sheer hours EQ required made it fun but unsustainable for me. Can't speak for others, but that was my story. The moment I smelt CoH's UI and leveling based on missions-- my time outside of raids evaporated and then I thought, "why raid and re-gear? to repeat it?" Just an odd moment when someone you once appreciated is re-valued as meaningless.


Minus P99 no MMOs today can resemble EQ from 10 years ago (omg was it 10 years ago?). I think its for the better.

What is changed is the time required (no camping 12 different things for the VP key or the Vex thall or the seru key. However I do recall having fun doing it at time).

How people level up in an MMO is probably the most important thing about the MMO, followed by how they earn gear. I don't recall quests being a viable option to level with in EQ-- WoW wrote the book on how to build quests that push people towards the right areas to level. Warhammer was sold on the idea of public quests, but I think rift might have it right with making them move across the zone randomly. These two things plus people flopping between multiple roles is going to make rift a game thats easy to succeed in and breed what most of us might be looking for-- a truly casual game.

Aaaaand done with 20 people before me in my Q~

[Wresh]

You know I pity the new generation of MMOG players WoW brought in. They don't realize they are living in a dark age and that the Rome that is EQ was once the golden age of MMORPGs and offered far superior gameplay.

It's okay though. Project 1999 is free. You high school and college age kids can afford it. Give it a try son. The few people I saw in the game that hadn't played EQ before kept playing it long after I saw them whine in OOC about how hard the game was.

Oh, and I'm not singling out Rift, dude. I hardly mentioned Rift. Do pay attention to the conversation.

I am paying attention on the convo...

People that played EQ seem to think it was the hardest MMO ever when some of us (like me) played it and just found it boring. I played SWG from release (left before Sony destroyed the game) and remember having to run....yes run 1/2 way across planets to get to the spot where we wanted to level....there were no mounts in the game at all....no one that could rez...so if you died you had to run for 20-30 minutes to get back out there if you died...fighting mobs to get back out there since there was no such thing as ghost walking.

I did not mind the above when I could play for 6-10 hours at a time, but at my age I do not want/need to spend that kind of time playing a game anymore. I enjoy the more casual gaming experience now and play more to hang out with people I know and "shoot the shit" while I level, craft, pvp or do whatever in game.

I am glad you still have the passion to play games such as EQ & Project 1999 still....I just cannot/will not put that much time & effort into a game anymore.

[Valdis]

It never ceases to amaze me that people think that a huge tedious time sink is the same thing as hard. EQ was certainly difficult in some aspects but the only challenges it brought that I ever hear about are the massive time sinks, not that the boss encounter was well designed and tough, just that it took 5 hours just to gather everyone up and another 10 hours to wait for the spawn... That's not difficult that's just a lot of people with too much time on their hands... I never played EQ played but i have played pretty much every other MMO and I will say nothing anyone has ever said made me think EQ was a good game... Hell most of the Hoss people only seem to like it because of the comaraderie not the game itself, granted that's my interpretation, but when they talk about events they did it seems like they remember the fun of playing with their friends more then they enjoyed the game. And that's a good thing it's far better for a game to instill fond memories then to actually be good.

[Allara]

Still, there are a few things about EQ that I miss... like the support class and crowd control class. (I played an enchanter.) Yet another thing I like about Rift -- support classes are back.

[Cardinal]

So far I must admit I have been fairly impressed with Rift in comparison to current Wow. It is far more stable than I would have expected, for a day one release, once you get past the initial queue, you don't get the feel this is a day one launch. (need I remind people what EQ vanila or Wow Vanila were like in the intial days?)

It does seem to have more depth to it than Wow, or potential anyway. The variety is refreshing, even the mob models are far more wide ranging than I expected. Thumbs up from a day 1 perspective. Whether it has legs, i need more time to see how instances and raids are . .. but for now, it is more fun than Wow.

[Syana]

New games are always fun. I loved Age of Conan and Warhammer and Vindictus

Hell, I even played Flyff. Also played this silly game called Earth and Beyond. I bumped into Ashram in that game. lol

I'm just glad the open beta ended before I had a chance to check it out (missed it by 8 hours!). I don't need to spending another $50-60 on a game. Since I don't know what I'm missing, it's all good.

[Aindayen]

I liked in EQ that some classes couldn't kill anything solo. I liked quading and the idea of AA's later in the game.

I liked big raids with scarey places. Places that would stop you from going in and just being able to spirit rez. Having to get a necro to summon your corpse just owned. I love the bard class, and miss how you could have some gear through the next expansion. I LOVE clickies or the idea of an epic weapon that took time to get.

AoC was fun and had potential.

Perhaps I'll have to join in with you nutjobs and play casually.

Oh and Happy B-day Zappo!

Ain

[Lonskils]

I really like the rift events. They are epic and I mean epic. The fact that they didn't give a shit if no one was lvl 18 yet or not and still pushed em out was pretty dang cool. It brought fear back into the element of leveling up. AT ANYTIME a RIFT event can just pop up, it was like that one zone in EQ. If you were there at night all the mobs were hard mode and would kick your ass. If you get into the raid and start killing them, its just so much fun. So great to be in a raid larger than a short bus of people. Even if they don't know what they are doing yet. It's just crazy.

[Syana]

Kithicor or something